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Jim in NH

10-09-2004 08:38:16

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Hi folks,

I'm looking to upgrade to a MFWD from my IH 584 2WD. The two available machines so far that seem to fit my needs and budget would be a slightly used JD5320 or a Kubota M6800. Would prefer a Case C-60 but can't find any. Really want something with a limited slip or locking front axle. Will be used for maintaining a road and hauling logs out of a forest. Pushing, scooping, and blowing snow, spreading sand, grading, etc. Will equip with a loader and Sims or Lorin cab and loaded rear tires.

I have heard good and bad about each. "the newer Deere's aren't what they used to be", and the "Kubota is too light/wimpy and from Japan".

I am sure there are merits and de-merits to each and was wondering what you folks thought. Is either one a maintinence nightmare? or a pile of junk?

Several JD5320 - 2002 and newer - 600 or less hrs
Kub M6800 - 1999 - 1600 hrs
Kub M6800 - 2003 - 400 hrs

Thanks,
Jim

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Jim in NH

10-10-2004 18:33:33

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Re: Green vs. Orange (Red...) in reply to Jim in NH, 10-09-2004 08:38:16

Thanks for all the good advice, and clarifying the true meaning of Orange!

Haven't ruled out the JD or Kub just yet, but all this feedback, along with my own doubts, has me re-thinking trying to get into something red again, even if it's a bit older. My IH 584 has been a solid, reliable, metal machine - but's 2WD and I keep having close calls in the winter; and the wife says she'd rather have me than the insurance money(...most of the time anyway).

So what about a CASE IH 3220? I see a few out there at a reasonable price but I know nothing about it. What's its PTO HP? Can I engage the PTO without hitting the clutch?

I turn a 7ft wide snow blower with the PTO, and carry a 2500lb sander on the back, so I'm inclined to go not too much lower than the 52 PTO HP IH 584.

If not the 3220, you guys have any other suggestions? Need liquid cooled, as I need to put a cab on it, and those use the water to get heat.

Thanks again for the feedback!
Jim

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Rod F.

10-10-2004 06:13:13

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Re: Green vs. Orange in reply to Jim in NH, 10-09-2004 08:38:16

Hi Jim,
Green or Orange. I think I would flip a coin on that series of tractor. The rigours of forestry could be a bit much for either one, depending on what you expect. You might consider looking at the next series up, either Deere, Kubota, NH, Massey, whatever. Something with more meat. There seem to be lots of guys using Valtra's for that type of work. Perhaps this is getting to be too big a budget, but I do genuinely worry about pushing the front axles on those little trctors. Forestry work demands cast iron, pure and simple. Just my 2 cents.

Rod

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landon

10-10-2004 03:12:14

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Re: Green vs. Orange in reply to Jim in NH, 10-09-2004 08:38:16

I purchased a 5320 Deere about a year ago and like the tractor fine but I am also worried about all the plastic,it even has a plastic valve cover!I am impressed with the 400 series Massey Fergusons,they look like well built tractor and are all metal with old proven technology and are very heavy and rugged. They are also cheaper than the Deere and New Holland.According to what I read Massey is selling a lot of them.

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Mark - IN.

10-09-2004 21:29:37

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Re: Green vs. Orange in reply to Jim in NH, 10-09-2004 08:38:16

Had me goin for a second there. When you said orange, I thought you meant orange, and that would be Allis. I've got both, but the Oliver guys would tell me that my Deere green aint green either. Hmm? Maybe oughta look into green vrs. green. LOL.

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Bill in Colo

10-09-2004 19:01:57

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Re: Green vs. Orange in reply to Jim in NH, 10-09-2004 08:38:16

Try Blue we just purchased a new NH tn70 for the plant center the help really likes it. we replaced a zetor that was six years old and we had only managed to keep it running long enough to get 325 hours on it. the tn was delivered june and already has 200 hours.

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pat s

10-09-2004 18:50:17

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Re: Green vs. Orange in reply to Jim in NH, 10-09-2004 08:38:16

Did a lot of research back in 89 between JD and Kabotas, wanted a Hydrostatic drive. The JD Trans was complex and had a two year warranty the Kabota trans was simple and strong with a 5 yr warranty. Went with Kabota, have many hours on it and it is 14 yrs old. I used a friend's brand new JD the other day. wouldn't trade my 14 year old Kabota for it.

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ben brown

10-09-2004 18:19:53

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Re: Green vs. Orange in reply to Jim in NH, 10-09-2004 08:38:16

if you buy a 6800 kubota get read to replace the clutch evey 6 mouths it has 11 inch clutch no good for loader or blade work good if it set in the shop

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kent

10-09-2004 13:01:14

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Re: Green vs. Orange in reply to Jim in NH, 10-09-2004 08:38:16

i just traded off a 1 1/2 year old 4610 john deere for a L4630 kubota because the deere had plastic fenders,hood,grill,etc---it also had wires hanging all over it and the hydraulics leaked down, which according to the dealer was in deere's specs---like an inch for every 3 or 4 minutes---the deere also had an engine from japan and lord knows where the rest of it came from---john deeres are not made for the long haul anymore--the kubota is a much better built tractor with out the frills of the deere

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kent

10-09-2004 12:57:03

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