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What causes run-on?

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Dug

10-07-2004 15:50:56




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The 'ole JD 2510 runs like a charm, but doesn't like to be shut down, she just continues to sputter and spurt. If I pull the choke it will die pretty quick, but if not it will run on for several minutes. I was told it was carbon build up and by misting Marvel Mystery Oil through the carb, it would clean it out. I did that and it worked for a while, now it's back to it's same old run on self and the MM Oil isn't helping. Any suggestions?

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Dug

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HTR

10-07-2004 20:01:16




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 Re: What causes run-on? in reply to Dug, 10-07-2004 15:50:56  
All of the answers are fine about hot carbon causing run on. But, on your 2510 I would say your problem is a defective, or missing, fuel shut off solenoid. The solenoid should be located on the bottom of the carburetor,and also has the load jet adjusting screw in it. A few of the 2510s came from the factory without the selonoid, but was usually installed later, to cure the run on.

Back in the 60s General Motors devised a throttle pull off dash pot to close the throttle plate completely, to stop the dieseling/ run on. Years later it was discovered that some of the run on problem, was feed back from the alternator, after the ignition switch was turned off.

There also was some alternator feed back problems with the original Motorola alternators on the small gasoline John Deeres. The shut off solenoid cures this.

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Leland

10-07-2004 18:30:33




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 Re: What causes run-on? in reply to Dug, 10-07-2004 15:50:56  
Just get an old windshield washer and hook it up and giver a squrit as she idles to cool down this will help.



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Allan in NE

10-07-2004 17:12:48




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 Re: What causes run-on? in reply to Dug, 10-07-2004 15:50:56  
Dug,

If your idle is too fast, slow 'er down. If you are shutting the thing off with the throttle cracked, quit it, Dude. :>)

And going against the grain here: All engines have carbon in 'em.....it's the nature of the beast. Show me an engine without carbon and I'll show you an engine that hasn't run yet.

Allan



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Can't even use my name

10-07-2004 17:25:02




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 Re: What causes run-on? in reply to Allan in NE, 10-07-2004 17:12:48  
Ever seen the inside of propane engine? It has no carbon!



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Allan in NE

10-07-2004 18:05:33




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 Re: What causes run-on? in reply to Can't even use my name, 10-07-2004 17:25:02  
They have way "LESS" carbon, don't say NO carbon..... 'cause they do. :>)

Dug, is your engine a propane outfit? Missed that part.

Allan



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Dug

10-07-2004 18:47:50




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 Re: What causes run-on? in reply to Allan in NE, 10-07-2004 18:05:33  
It's a gasser!



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RAB

10-07-2004 16:41:27




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 Re: What causes run-on? in reply to Dug, 10-07-2004 15:50:56  
As you probably know it is caused by something in the cylinder(s) which is glowing hot enough to ignite the mixture, generally before TDC which is why it "knocks" and is not good for the bearings.
That something in the clinders could be a too-hot grade of plug (and the tip glowing red hot), or it could be carbon build-up which is heated but not getting cooled by the incoming charge, or it could possibly be a small area of the head overheating - a design problem. It is often overcome temporarily by your method, but if you are "only treating the symptoms and not curing the disease" it will probably re-occur. Carbon build-up can be from fuel or oil, so overhaul might be the answer, or carburation changes, or a simple plug grade change might be the answer. Gas-flowing and polishing the head could be a way round it if you are into that sort of thing. Really depends on what is causing it!
Regards, RAB

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Redmud

10-07-2004 16:21:09




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 Re: What causes run-on? in reply to Dug, 10-07-2004 15:50:56  
Dug,
Is the idle set to spec? fast idel will cause this. have you tuned it in a while? buildup on the plugs will cause this. I never use an oil product through the carb for this problem, not even the old Mystery oil. water mist is the best to clean the plugs valves and top of pistons. and cold water at that. now watch the guys get on me like stink on a skunk..
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Allan in NE

10-07-2004 17:07:45




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 Re: What causes run-on? in reply to Redmud, 10-07-2004 16:21:09  
Hi Redmund,

No stink from this quarter, 'cause you are right.

The proof is in the opening up one that has had an antifreeze leak into a cylinder. Clean as a tac. Steam cleaned in fact. :>)

Allan



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Redmud

10-07-2004 18:08:29




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 Re: What causes run-on? in reply to Allan in NE, 10-07-2004 17:07:45  
Hey Allan, I think in one of your post you said you worked for a Chevrolet dealer at one time, or maybe it was someone else I'm thinking about. anyway do you remember the 265 V8 engine and the problems thay had? and do you remember the cure general motors came up with? That's where I got the water thang from. but it was not the only thing Chevrolet put through the engine, do you know what the product was? And Allan I do enjoy your post's.
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Allan in NE

10-07-2004 18:47:35




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 Re: What causes run-on? in reply to Redmud, 10-07-2004 18:08:29  
Hey Buster!!

Wait just a darned minute. I'm old but I tain' that darned old! :>)

Yep, I've worked for lots and lots of Chevy people; 'twas the only thing I was ever smart enough to do. Whenever things went bad, I could always dive back into the Chevys 'cause I knew 'em like the backside of my hand. Did Automatic Trannys and Air Conditioning mostly; the last stint lasted from the day of the farm sale in '83 to '99. Boy! How time gets away!

That 265 V8 came out in the 55s and some, but not all of the 56s. It was the only Chevrolet V8 engine, aside from the very high-end muscle cars, that had solid lifters.

Alas, 55 was the year that I was learning to shave, tho. The only product that I'm aware of that GM has been pushing for years is the Top Engine Cleaner; which absolutely works like a charm. Saved a lot of engines from the valve grinder with that stuff.

But anyway, my uncle showed me how to pour water into those old engines and give 'em a good steam-cleaning. I think the RV crowd still uses some kind of a water injection; did when they were running the carburetors, anyway.

'Member the old drum brakes on the front and those old ball bearing type wheel bearings? Had to back 'em off a quarter of a turn?

Yep, I guess you are right, I'm just too darned old! :>)

Allan

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txblu

10-08-2004 06:20:58




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 Re: What causes run-on? in reply to Allan in NE, 10-07-2004 18:47:35  
Yeah you had a job cause chevy's were always busted..... ha ha. That ought to bring the hornets out. LOL

I do remember the ball bearings. At that time dad was buying a new station wagon and was looking at Ford and Chev. I kept pointing things out on the Ford that the Chev didn't have. (Really the deal was the Ford had white walls and the Chev black. You remember white walls don't you?)

So one day when I was replacing the "ball bearings" on the front of his '56 Chev station wagon he bought (stead oh da Ford), I pointed out that Ford used rollers, not balls. Funny, current GM uses rollers. Now ain't dat supmin.

Didn't know 265 had solid lifters.

Sweetest sound I ever heard was a 265 stick shift with dual "Smittys" (glass packs) mufflers, in second gear, winding thru 3000 rpms..... .ah that was sweet. Had lust in my heart cause I couldn't afford one. Mine was a '51 Ford..... of my mother's. Yucko.....but it beat walking.

Mark

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Joe (Wa)

10-07-2004 23:25:24




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 Re: What causes run-on? in reply to Allan in NE, 10-07-2004 18:47:35  
The very first vehicle I restored was a 1956 chevy pickemup in 1966. It had a 265 with hyd lifters. Bored 30 over and rebuilt the engine from the ground up.

Joe



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Can't even use my name

10-07-2004 17:22:03




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 Re: What causes run-on? in reply to Allan in NE, 10-07-2004 17:07:45  
I have one of those notorious mid 90's leaky intake gaskets on my Chevy truck and have yet to replace it for that reason! Sucking the water into the engine is keeping her clean!! Not really, just isn't leaking too bad yet and don't have the time to fix her to boot.



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Cosmo

10-07-2004 16:18:59




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 Re: What causes run-on? in reply to Dug, 10-07-2004 15:50:56  
Dug, I once had a Chevy 350 that started knocking like it was ready to throw a rod. At the Trade School I was attending at the time one of the men suggested trans. fluid. We revved it about half throttle and dribbled a good sized stream into the carb. and used the whole quart. It looked like a crop duster had visited the school. But it worked. I probably put another 50000 miles on it before I sold it. No more knock.

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johndeereman

10-07-2004 17:33:13




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 Re: What causes run-on? in reply to Cosmo, 10-07-2004 16:18:59  
does it start hard? if so it might be out of time just a little bit find a timing light and check it out thats a simple fix.



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Dug

10-07-2004 18:53:19




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 Re: What causes run-on? in reply to johndeereman, 10-07-2004 17:33:13  
It starts fine, it just won't die.

Dug



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Ben in KY

10-07-2004 19:02:58




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 Re: What causes run-on? in reply to Dug, 10-07-2004 18:53:19  
My 444 did that, was running 89 octane gas, went up to 91 and no more run on. Worked for me.



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