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your opinion on 400 smallblock?

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farmer poor

06-20-2007 16:55:49




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any input you have on a chevy 400 smallblock I would like too hear, Thanks.




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Jak

06-21-2007 07:12:16




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 Re: your opinion on 400 smallblock? in reply to farmer poor, 06-20-2007 16:55:49  
I had ONE and it was a 350 eater easily.I built mine for low end torque to put in a K5 Blazer.It wasn't a high revving engine but I don't wind em out anyway.I like axle twisting torque and I got it with the STOCK cam.Where my 305 had to be in low loc I could run high range with the 400 and throw mud all over the vehicle.I was pulling the hay trailer one day with three round bales up a hill in the rain.It did however work on the ten bolt differential,it was about to swarm before I traded it off.I have a 1975 Chevrolet 4 dr drab green Impala spotted.It sets next to my sisters apartment,I told her to tell the older man it he ever wants to sell it I want it.If I get it the car it would be scrapped but the engine will be on my engine stand hopefully.I like em.

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Tim...Ok

06-21-2007 05:10:29




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 Re: your opinion on 400 smallblock? in reply to farmer poor, 06-20-2007 16:55:49  
my favorite small block..if ya do a nice rebuild with forged pistons and arp rod bolts and keep the rpms below 5500,they will live a long and happy life..they are NOT a high rpm motor unless you go with aftermarket crank and rods..I built one 8 or 10 years ago for an 84 chevy truck,comp 292 cam,world sportsman II heads,gotta drill those steam holes,it was a screamer for a small block.. I've got a 468 rat in my old truck now,but if I was gonna have another smallblock,it would be a 400..

Tim

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Clint Youse MO

06-20-2007 21:04:08




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 Re: your opinion on 400 smallblock? in reply to farmer poor, 06-20-2007 16:55:49  
I had one in a 79 chevy halfton 2 wheel drive with 400 turbo transmission behind it both were built for speed. Tranny had stalls in it til 4000 rpm and motor was done right, heads carbs exhaust intakes. and right now the old truck would run 110 mph in the quarter and never break a tire loose if ya knew how to drive it. It was a great motor til I over heated it one night and cracked the heads replaced it with a built 350 no comparison the 400 would mop it any day me and a buddy rebuilt the 400 for a derby car he had and it was still running last I knew. the 383 is a good motor also for a truck but if going in a car only thing I would rather have is 427 short deck.

Clint

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buickanddeere

06-20-2007 20:34:39




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  your opinion on 400 smallblock.... yes but do it right in reply to farmer poor, 06-20-2007 16:55:49  
The long 3.73 stroke and shorter 5.56 ( I think?) rods increased cylinder wall side loading. The stock 400 heads were to starve instead of feeding the engines in those dark early pre-computer emissions days. The stock cam was designed for smog control, power or efficiency. There are all kinds of 30 thou over 350's with a 400 crank making 383 cu ". The crank gets turned down to the 2.45 350 dia from 2.65 and does fine. The 350 crank in a 400 block is drop in with a set of thick walled bearings. In any case toss those weak and too short stock 5.56 length 400 rods into the recycle bin. After market HD 5.70' 350 rods and even 6.00" rods cost little more than refurbishing stock rods. 5.7 and better yet 6.0 rods work fine with a 3.48" stoke 350 crank in a 400 block. Just tell your piston supplier what you are up to. The 5.7 rods and will work fine with the 3.75" 400 crank in either a 350 or 400 block. Lots running even 6.0 rods with the 400 crank. In any case use an after market or GM high flow cylinder head instead of re-working a factory production head. Eldenbrock makes some fine cam, head and manifold packages. There are even aftermarket fuel injection systems that limit the 400's fuel thirst and run better than carbs. Toss the three speed automatic or four speed manual trans. Either a beefier TH700-R4 overdrive with the high ratio 1st gear and a high stall lock-up torque. Or a wide range 5 or 6 speed manual with overdrive. If you just absolutely have to have a carb. Forget about a 750 or 850 double pumper gas pig. A 600 or maybe a 750 vacuum secondary runs just as well. Doesn't foul plugs and drain the gas tank as fast as race track only double pumpers do either. There are aftermarket ignition systems that detect detonation and retard timing only when required. They protect your engine from a low quality tank of fuel and a heavy footed driver. And yet allow peak engine power potential under ideal conditions.

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Mark - IN.

06-20-2007 18:56:23




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 Re: your opinion on 400 smallblock? in reply to farmer poor, 06-20-2007 16:55:49  
Depends what you intend to do with it. Stock? Was a torguey low RPM engine used in passenger trucks (pickups) and full sized cars like Impalas or Caprices from "70 until...?. Pistons were low compression cast, crank was soft too. I forget the bore and stroke, but bore was so big for a smallblock that cylinders 2+4 and 3+5 were cast/tied together with webbing (siameised...they called it) which didn"t allow for proper or good cooling, and had to drill cooling holes into new HP heads if replaced the smoggers, or no cooling at all. .030 was max on boring them over. Main journals were larger than that of the 350 and smaller small blocks, especially the 283 or "67 302 (327 with a 283 crank), so to use another crank, need to weld the journals up to size.

I had a buddy that had the most potent naturally aspirated single carbed small block Camaro I"ve ever seen or driven down a strip...way back when. Was a "70, and he was twisting 400"s long before I"d ever heard about anyone else doing it. .030 over, 350 crank welded up and hardened to size, putting it at about 378 inches as I recall. A whole lot of good stuff when the Torker type of manifolds were new to the game with a single 1050 or 1150 Holley and before roller cams. That guy twisted that unibody pretty good and got the front end up about a foot, then would launch and dump you back through the trunk lid if you weren"t strapped in. That was a potent Camaro, that would snap your neck with every gear...back in the days when Jenkins was running big and small block Vegas and Camaros. Thanks for the memories.

From an older fatter Cummins Dodge guy these days, they were a great foundation for a real lethal motor. Grin.

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oldrustycars

06-20-2007 18:28:46




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 Re: your opinion on 400 smallblock? in reply to farmer poor, 06-20-2007 16:55:49  
400's are very desirable now. any small block heads can be used, just need to drill steam holes, using the 400 head gasket as a guide. No 400 performance motors were made by GM. you can adapt a 350 crank to give you a 377, which gives the desirable large bore, short stroke combo, it'll rev like crazy. It is true they are externally balanced, and use a unique journal size, but getting hi po parts is no problem. if you have a 4 bolt main, you have a real gem. make sure of bore sizes before you get carried away buying parts, i think they only go 030 over before its junk.

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Paul Shuler

06-20-2007 17:51:40




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 Re: your opinion on 400 smallblock? in reply to farmer poor, 06-20-2007 16:55:49  
With a few mods like a cam and intake it will develop huge torque and HP. I have driven 454s, 460s and all the diesle trucks and have found nothing that runs like my old 400. The only thing it will not pass is a gas station. Also they will go through a tranny and rear end right quick if it has any week spots in them. Have fun.
Paul

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Allan In NE

06-20-2007 17:59:47




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 Re: your opinion on 400 smallblock? in reply to Paul Shuler, 06-20-2007 17:51:40  
Yep,

That's what I've always said.

Not a rat motor out there that will compare to a common old SB400 and the 350s are just plain "lame" in comparison.

Allan



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Mark - IN.

06-20-2007 20:00:51




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 Re: your opinion on 400 smallblock? in reply to Allan In NE, 06-20-2007 17:59:47  
I don't know Allan. I've always been partial to that 427. Stroke at 3.76 and stock bore at 4.25 was a pretty good combo. Balancing and worked over could turn low 8 grands long before they came out with the trick speed stuff they have today. I know, them small blocks could get the R's up faster and higher, but once it started to hit its power band, it more than made up for it at the end of the 1/4 mile. Wasn't it '62 or '63 that Junior Johnson was tearing up nascar tracks with one before Chevy released the first big block into production as the '65 396? Nascar told Junior and Chevy to put it away since wasn't a production motor...and the 406 Fords and 413 Dodges couldn't keep up with that thing?

I remember a guy back in the mid-70's named Kevin Rotti showed up in Denver with the smallest big block I'd ever seen. Huge bore, almost no stroke. Was in the 360+ or 370+ inch range. To look at it, and not confuse it with the truck block, which it wasn't, it looked like any other rat. There's no air to breath in Denver, so gotta run smaller motors, but that was a small big block. Seemed almost laughable. Everyone laughed. By Sunday afternoon we'd stopped laughing. I'm thinking that he was hitting the mid to high 9 grands with that thing, and he took the Pro-Stock trophy home for the Mile High Nationals that year.

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L.C.Gray

06-20-2007 17:21:58




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 Re: your opinion on 400 smallblock? in reply to farmer poor, 06-20-2007 16:55:49  
The 400 developed a reputation for overheating and spinning main bearings. Whether it was deserved or not I couldn't realy make a case either way.

I started to build a 400 for a street machine once only to find out the donor engine was a boat anchor due to a spun main. I went right back to the ever faithful 350 again.

The biggest problem with 400s is too many unique parts compared to the other mouse motors. The blocks and heads have significant differences, rod and main journals are sized different, rods are different length and sometimes the biggest suprise comes from the unique flywheels and harmonic balancers. Most people don't realize 400s are the only externally balanced mouse.

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Alabama-Ed

06-20-2007 17:10:40




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 Re: your opinion on 400 smallblock? in reply to farmer poor, 06-20-2007 16:55:49  
Good running v8.Problems will crop up if you let them run hot,heads and head gaskets mainly.My brother has one in a drag car.It has been bored .060 and has had two of the cylinder walls crack.Very thin walls that will not stand much overbore.He had sleeves put in the cracked cylinders.Should have had them all bored and sleeved before installing.Good hot running proven winning drag car otherwise.

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Bob

06-20-2007 17:07:25




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 Re: your opinion on 400 smallblock? in reply to farmer poor, 06-20-2007 16:55:49  
What type of service are you intending to use it for?

They were TORQUEY engines, but probably NOT the best for sustained high power output use, such as heavy towing, 'cause the siamesed cylinders tended expand unevenly, leading to oil consumption, and the "steam holes" in the block, head gasket, and head make the engine a little more prone to head gasket leaks than other SBC's.

Otherwise, a typical SBC, the best, highest production, longest production run series of engines ever.

Feel free to "flame away" as needed, blue oval guys and goat guys! Don't get TOO carried away, though, as I have a couple of Fords and a "token Mopar" in the fleet at the farm!

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famer poor

06-20-2007 17:17:09




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 Re: your opinion on 400 smallblock? in reply to Bob, 06-20-2007 17:07:25  
it would be going in an 84' camaro.



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Bob

06-20-2007 17:44:26




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 Re: your opinion on 400 smallblock? in reply to famer poor, 06-20-2007 17:17:09  
Back in the late 70's, I built one up, and put it in a 1974 Camaro.

I beat the snot out of it, and it was still running well when I sold it in 1982 (got hitched and started a family).

The kid that got it beat the heck out of it, too, and it was still running when he sold it to his cousin. I lost track of it a sale or two after that. Gosh, I wish I had it back, now!



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