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Front wheels going sideways

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Chas in Me

09-27-2004 18:46:59




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The front wheels on my small Kubota work themselves side ways. This happens when I am turning and one wheel gets into a rut. the result is one or both wheels cocked sideways and digging up the turf as it moves. Its an L175 with two wheel drive and no power steering. I have lifted the front end and loosenened the nut on top of the spindle that goes down to the hub. Then I would line up the wheel by eye and tightened the nut.
The question is, is there some kind of key in there that might be broken and if so do I have to lift the tractor up high enough to take that spindle out?
If I do that, what is a safe method to lift the front of the tractor?
Thanks for any ideas you share.
Chas

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UFO Man

09-28-2004 17:48:02




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 Re: Front wheels going sideways in reply to Chas in Me, 09-27-2004 18:46:59  
Chas,

Kubota tractors are very light, strong, but light. You are going to have to unlock the brake pedals and learn how to steer with the brakes.

My entire Kubota was somewhat smaller than yours, in fact it only weighed 900 pounds. It was equipped with a 4 foot rotary mower (bush hog) that weighed 550 pounds. All I had to do to zero clearance turn was raise the mower wheel off the ground and step on a brake pedal. Which ever brake I stepped on, the rear wheel locked and around we went. Didn't even have to turn the steering wheel. When I got to the point in the turn that I wanted to go, I took my foot off the brake and lowered the mower.

Even more fun was trying to move 6 loads of sand with that tractor and a 5 foot scraper blade.

I'm just thankful that I have a 4000 pound IH B 414 with the capability to carry a 1500 pound rotary mower and pull a 6 foot blade. There is a lot less finesse in driving this beast.

Don't get me wrong, I loved that Kubota, so does the guy I sold it to.

UFO Man

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Jon H

09-28-2004 11:01:35




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 Re: Front wheels going sideways in reply to Chas in Me, 09-27-2004 18:46:59  
You should be able to get to the problem by removing the steering arm on top of the spindle,no need to remove the spindle from the axle unless the spindle is damaged. The steering arm should be locked to the spindle shaft with splines or a key. Once you discover what is worn or stripped,the repair should be ovious.



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Nebraska Cowman

09-28-2004 09:52:14




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 Re: Front wheels going sideways in reply to Chas in Me, 09-27-2004 18:46:59  
I understand what you are saying. There surely must be a key on the shaft. I don't think even Kubota engineers would rely on friction alone to keet it centered. What you might try as an easy fix is to drill down from the top, half in the shaft half in the outer part that is slipping and drive a round pin in. I had to do that on front tractor spindles when the keyway was worn.



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paul

09-28-2004 08:47:05




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 Re: Front wheels going sideways in reply to Chas in Me, 09-27-2004 18:46:59  
You kind of gave a confusing explination.

Is the problem that your tractor does not turn well?

Or is the problem when you stop, aim forward, both front wheels are pointing in different directions?

It is normal for the wheels to point slightly differently on a sharp turn - you should check lined up straight.

The confusing part is 'both wheels cocked sideways' - what does that mean?

Not familiar with your tractor, but most wide front linkages the top of that shaft you are talking about is toothed, and the bracket that goes on it is toothed, and a big nut clamps them together. Nothing to adjust inside the down-tube.

--->Paul

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JHesler

09-28-2004 07:34:10




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 Re: Front wheels going sideways in reply to Chas in Me, 09-27-2004 18:46:59  
I'll spare you the rave other than to say it might have something to do with the brand name.



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rustyfarmall

09-28-2004 06:29:28




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 Re: Front wheels going sideways in reply to Chas in Me, 09-27-2004 18:46:59  
I don't fully understand what you are saying, are the wheels going in opposite directions? When the wheels go sideways, does the steering wheel have no effect? If this is the case, you do have some serious problems. I am not familiar enough with a Kubota to give you any straight forward answers.



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Leland

09-28-2004 05:59:06




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 Re: Front wheels going sideways in reply to Chas in Me, 09-27-2004 18:46:59  
Welcome to the world of 2wd tractors,99% I have drove have done this even with a full rack of weights. Also tore ground up more,try tapping brakes a little on turns this will help.



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dej(JED)

09-28-2004 05:55:32




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 Re: Front wheels going sideways in reply to Chas in Me, 09-27-2004 18:46:59  
I had the same problem on a Farmall utility tractor. I would try to turn and it didn't want to turn, but rather would slide. I think I tried everything to adjust the rods, etc. I finally just put weights on the front end. It appears that the front was too lite because it turns much better with the weights up there.



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Chas in Me

09-28-2004 19:17:05




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 Re: Front wheels going sideways in reply to dej(JED), 09-28-2004 05:55:32  
Sorry for the confusion. When I am in a turn and one of the wheels bumps up against something, like the side of a ditch, the wheel gets shoved aroung until I reach the end of the steering and then the wheel gets pushed a little sideways.
The end result is one wheel going straight and the other going in a slightly different direction. The wheels scrub when I move the tractor. I have loosenened them and adjusted them two or three times and need to do it again.
I was wondering if I have a broken key in there someplace .
Sounds like I do from some of the answers, so I will look for it tommorrow.
Chas

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Gary in Geneva

09-30-2004 13:31:19




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 Re: Front wheels going sideways in reply to Chas in Me, 09-28-2004 19:17:05  
The few tractors that I have seen seem to have a key or pin that goes into the spindle to hold it in position. If the key or pin shears then you can have the problem you describe. If the keyway is wallowed out in both pieces a quick fix is to weld the parts together. The best solution is to replace the damaged parts. I have an old Massey 40B that has been welded and works fine

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JT

09-29-2004 13:09:59




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 Re: Front wheels going sideways in reply to Chas in Me, 09-28-2004 19:17:05  
Ya might also check to make sure you have not got a drag link bent. Had a Cub Low-Boy doing the same thing, kept bending the drag link. One tire straight, one twisted in just a touch.



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