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jjmcdon

09-23-2004 05:19:48




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i put a previous post on her about how my fuel solinoid went bad so what i did i just put a zip tie around it so it would not cut of the fuel. this engine is a test engine that my school has and its on and engine stand made for it specially well anyways i got it to run but it only starts at anywhere more than half throttle and only starts on either it starts and revs pretty high but dies after about 3 or 4 seconds i dont have a clue why anyone with advice or tips is welcome thanks all.

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jjmcdon

09-23-2004 10:26:41




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 Re: goodwrench diesel in reply to jjmcdon, 09-23-2004 05:19:48  
i just came back from auto mechanics in school and there is not continus fuel supply coming out from the injection pump i looseened the 8 fittings to the injectors but the fuel sprays once and a while but not constant and only sprays out of 3 or 4 out of the injectors and the other ones just bubble and drizzle i canked it over the whole class period wating for it to straighten out like 1 hour but still not a constant all 8 spraying it does however start and run on ether for 4 second then dies but where is """the secret bleeder screw"""" on the roosa master pump?? thanks all for all the previous help!

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Bob

09-23-2004 10:48:56




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 Re: goodwrench diesel in reply to jjmcdon, 09-23-2004 10:26:41  
The Roosa Master pump needs to be supplied with a steady supply of clean fuel (free of air bubbles) under 5 PSI, or so of pressure from a mechanical or electric lift pump. Are you set up that way, or are you trying to suck up fuel with only the injection pump?

And since you are in mechanic's class, why not take a minute to find out what engine you are working with. Calling it a Goodwrench means nothing, other than is is a replacement GM engine.

Is it a 5.7 Oldsmobile (warmed over gas engine), a 6.2 litre or 6.5 litre diesel, or one of several other possilities?

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jjmcdon

09-23-2004 12:53:51




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 Re: goodwrench diesel in reply to Bob, 09-23-2004 10:48:56  
yes it is a 5.7 olds motor so my instructor tells me and its a mechanical pump why under 5 psi though and it has a new fuel filter on it



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Allan in NE

09-23-2004 11:05:48




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 Re: goodwrench diesel in reply to Bob, 09-23-2004 10:48:56  
Hey Bob,

Now it's my turn.

I don't know who started this piece of misinformation; but it's been around since forever, I'll grant you that.

That N engine is not the same as the gasser. Flip it upsidedown and take a look at the webbing. It is a totally different block. They do look the same from the outside tho. :>)

Have a good one,

Allan



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Bob

09-23-2004 11:47:07




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 Re: goodwrench diesel in reply to Allan in NE, 09-23-2004 11:05:48  
Yes, I agree, Allen, the diesel Olds block is heavier than the gas, which is which some extreme gas engine builders convert diesel blocks for use in their hot-rod gas engines.

However, the diesel version shares most of the gas engine dimensions, and for one thing, they were not designed with enough headbolts for diesel use, and hence the unending head gasket problems with the 5.7 diesl.



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Bryan in iowa

09-23-2004 06:36:41




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 Re: goodwrench diesel in reply to jjmcdon, 09-23-2004 05:19:48  
What year and model engine are you working on ? Be very carefull when useing ether, I would try WD40 instead ,lot less volitol easier on head gaskets . Sounds like you have a fuel delivery problem or pump problem . Make sure you have clear fuel at return line,,,no bubbles .
Good luck



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Allan in NE

09-23-2004 05:41:54




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 Re: goodwrench diesel in reply to jjmcdon, 09-23-2004 05:19:48  
JJ,

Down at the bottom of the pump, there is an advance button that is activated by a pivoting lever arm.

Make sure that little button is not stuck "in". This would throw it into full advance all the time.

Also, are you sure you have all the air out of the system? They are sometimes a stinker to bleed and will act just the way you describe until all air is purged.

With 3 or 4 seconds of run time, it sounds maybe as though you are running on the either only?

Be careful with the either, but you should be able to "spoon feed" it to keep it running long enough to purge itself of air.

Another thing: The very first time that you took that solenoid cover off, did you see any tiny, little black specs of plastic looking material laying in there? If so, perhaps the wafer plate is shot. In this case, you need to have the pump rebuilt.

Allan

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Bob

09-23-2004 06:04:40




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 Re: goodwrench diesel in reply to Allan in NE, 09-23-2004 05:41:54  
Allen,

FYI, that is not an advance, but a RETARD. The more the little button is pushed in, the more the cam ring is the pump is retarded, to compensate for the earlier start of injection when you stomp on the footfeed, and pour the coals to it.

As the diesel pump pistons achieve full stroke under full fuel rate, injection starts earlier, since the pistons in the more completely filled bores contact the cam ring sooner, so this retarding of the cam ring is needed to back off the timing of the start of fuel injection to a safe point.

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Allan in NE

09-23-2004 06:16:51




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 Re: goodwrench diesel in reply to Bob, 09-23-2004 06:04:40  
Mornin' Bob,

Could be; all I know is that all those GM schools and service manuals call it an "advance" plunger.

Further, the darned old things just wouldn't run right if it was "stuck" in. :>)

Thanks,

Allan



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Bob

09-23-2004 09:29:38




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 Re: goodwrench diesel in reply to Allan in NE, 09-23-2004 06:16:51  
Yes, Allen, you're right that they won't run worth a darn if the plunger is stuck in. In that position, at low throttle angles, injection occurs WAY LATE.



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Allan in NE

09-23-2004 05:58:46




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 Re: goodwrench diesel in reply to Allan in NE, 09-23-2004 05:41:54  
Also,

When ya get 'er running, if it is setting there a knockin' and a smokin', chances are everything must be okay. :>)

Allan



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harley1983

09-23-2004 06:23:10




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 Re: goodwrench diesel in reply to Allan in NE, 09-23-2004 05:58:46  
Ya Allan, ya big silly. Harley (Allen in Missouri)



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Allan in NE

09-23-2004 06:29:02




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 Re: goodwrench diesel in reply to harley1983, 09-23-2004 06:23:10  
Hey!

Did you get that outfit bought up on ebay where I noticed you waving your arm in the air tryin' to get the autioneer's attention? :>)

Allan



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