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Dead tractor in hayfield...suggestions?

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old fashioned f

09-20-2004 09:22:36




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Howdy folks,

Well, today I've come upon another hitch in a long line of hitches associated with my farmall A. I'll have to admit, I'm starting to dislike this tractor a little. It's had about 10 times the troubles of my deeres. BUT that's a different story. Today's issue has me just plain confused. The tractor will start fine initially and run fine for a while. I take it to the field to mow and just as soon as I put load on it the engine starts to sputter like it's missing on certain cylinders. After a little while it settles down and runs alright. However, after a while longer the problem comes back and the tractor quits. It takes some cranking and then starts before cutting out again and not restarting. It won't work at all after that. Now, I thought it was a fuel problem but that turned out to be false. Nothing in tank, sediment bowl, line, or carb. I thought it was possibly the magneto. This I thought would explain the missing on cylinders but it turned out to be untrue as well. I bypassed the mag with a good coil and that didn't change the symptoms. I have suspicions about the plugs but the last time I checked them they all seemed to have spark. I am still suspicious of them and may replace them. So, the question is what would you all suggest. Like I said, I'm just bewildered and need an idea so I can get this hay cut. I appreciate your help. God bless.

--old fashioned farmer

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old fashioned farmer

09-20-2004 15:29:20




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 Re: Dead tractor in hayfield...suggestions? in reply to old fashioned farmer, 09-20-2004 09:22:36  
Howdy again folks,

Well, the fun just keeps on comin. I didn"t get to look into any suggestions before I went back to the field after lunch. After sitting through lunch it must"ve calmed a bit. It fired up and ran fine for a while. It started to hiccup this time. I liked that because I knew it was a carb problem. You recognize sounds after spending as much time with these things as I have. Of course, my "a" has had a little history of stuff sliding into its carb. So, I take it off, take it apart, and clean it out good. Go back to the field and it fires fine...fine until I get down to the other end of the field. This time it was cuttin in and out like before and finally just stopped with no desire to fire up again. I decided on a second opinion and asked dad. He was pretty stuck by it too but had an idea. He undid the connections on the coil bypass and ran everything through the mag again. We took off the distributor cap and looked at the rotor and points. They had some junk on them but not much. Did some scraping hooked all back up and gave it a try. Bang. It fired and worked. It even mowed right along in third gear (which after only running in first due to its earlier problems was a blessing and a half). It has done some sputtering on hills and what not so the original problem that made me put the coil on is still there. I"m not sure about the vapor lock thing as the fuel line does run close to the manifold. I don"t think it"s a factor since it never was a problem before. I"ve got a new sediment bowl to install (ordered before to replace my old leaky one) so if that is the issue it will be resolved. I appreciate all the ideas and I guess we"ll keep investigating. Meantime, I need to get back out there and finish the little bit of cutting I have left. Thanks again and God bless.

--old fashioned farmer

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Mark - IN.

09-20-2004 19:29:49




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 Re: Dead tractor in hayfield...suggestions? in reply to old fashioned farmer, 09-20-2004 15:29:20  
A couple of guys mentioned some good cheap tests. Loosen the gas cap, will tell you if vent is clogged. Another was vapor lock. You said that the fuel line runs close to the manifold, but was never a problem before, so probably isn't now. Don't count it out. If the tractor is running hot or overheating, even if not, gasoline could be boiling and evaporating before gets to the carb. Check those fuel lines closely, especially where are closest to the manifold. Look for blisters. It happened to me once, and the vapor lock was just a symptom of a larger problem, a burned valve, and the engine was overheating.

I hope is something simple like a gas cap vent. But you also mentioned that you cleaned up the electrodes/posts in the cap and it ran better. Dirt in the cap could be causing arching and misdirecting the spark away from the proper electrode/post. A piece of dirt in the fuel system that gets sucked up to a jet then falls away when not under pressure. Simple things. Your comment on cleaning the cap seems as good an indicator as any. Perhaps a new cap, or clean the old one really well, first.

Good luck. Probably a simple fix.

My sister told me yesterday that the lift arms on the three point on her Deere just began slowly dropping on their own. As a joke I asked her if she's checked the tire pressure. She made me proud when she asked "What's that got anything to do with anything", then called me a moron. She's learnin and that's what I wanted to hear, and she sure made me proud!!! We'll look at them this weekend.

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Weirsdale George

09-20-2004 22:11:41




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 Re: Dead tractor in hayfield...suggestions? in reply to Mark - IN., 09-20-2004 19:29:49  
How long has this problem been going on? If it is only one tankful, could you have gotten hold of some gas-alcohol mix. I have heard that is more prone to vapor lock.



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kent

09-20-2004 14:59:09




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 Re: Dead tractor in hayfield...suggestions? in reply to old fashioned farmer, 09-20-2004 09:22:36  
we had the same problem with a m farmall years ago and finally found that the fuel inlet to the sediment bowl was stopped up with what looked like lint--we had to unscrew the sediment bowl assembly out of the tank to see it---might be worth a try before spending a lot of $$ on parts



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Weirsdale George

09-20-2004 13:32:53




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 Re: Dead tractor in hayfield...suggestions? in reply to old fashioned farmer, 09-20-2004 09:22:36  
Could it possibly be vapor lock? Is the engine overheating? Check to see that a fuel line is not near the exhaust manifold.



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That Guy

09-20-2004 12:34:21




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 Re: Dead tractor in hayfield...suggestions? in reply to old fashioned farmer, 09-20-2004 09:22:36  
Is your gas cap vent plugged? I've had the same symptoms on my B and this was the problem.



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rustyfarmall

09-20-2004 11:16:37




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 Re: Dead tractor in hayfield...suggestions? in reply to old fashioned farmer, 09-20-2004 09:22:36  
Spark plugs will do that. Try some new ones.



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old

09-20-2004 10:09:32




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 Re: Dead tractor in hayfield...suggestions? in reply to old fashioned farmer, 09-20-2004 09:22:36  
Could be a condenser going bad on you, and it still could be in the carb. What happens if you choke it when it starts to cut out if that helps it run better its a carb problem. Just a couple of guess



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G.King

09-21-2004 00:20:17




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 Re: Dead tractor in hayfield...suggestions? in reply to old, 09-20-2004 10:09:32  
MY J/d done, as you said ,IT drove me up a wall,Mind would put out Black Smoke when it done it ,which should of told me it was not in carb. But went in to that 4/5 times .After a time could get it back to shop . Turn out to be Points/condenser Problem. Runs great now. GEO.



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