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Lest we forget......

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11 September

09-10-2004 17:38:29




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Rest in Peace.....




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Paul in Mich

09-12-2004 07:35:23




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 Re: Lest we forget...... in reply to 11 September, 09-10-2004 17:38:29  
Amen, Rest in Peace, We shall never forget those of you who were so brutally and senslessy taken away from the arms of your loved ones, and we will never forget those who so bravely risked and gave their lives to save others. God Bless you all, and God help those who dared to inflict this horror on the kindest, most generous nation on earth.



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Harrygoodwrench

09-11-2004 06:55:16




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 Re: Lest we forget...... in reply to 11 September, 09-10-2004 17:38:29  
And, God Bless them. Amen.
God Bless the troops that are fighting these same people that would do this horrendous act to us again.



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farmerboybill

09-11-2004 10:35:22




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 Re: Lest we forget...... in reply to Harrygoodwrench, 09-11-2004 06:55:16  
I'm sorry to break in but I can't let that falsehood stand. My sister is an MP in Iraq this very moment and our troops over there deserve more than to be party to the lie of the administration.

We are not in Iraq to protect us. We are in Iraq for petty revenge by a petty President and oil. My sister and the rest of the military should be in Afghanistan finishing the job we started there. That is where the terrorists were trained and that is where they are reestablishing thier stronghold. Not one terrorist in 9-11 was from Iraq or had any ties to Iraq. However, something like 13 came from Saudi Arabia and all were trained in Afghanistan. We passed up the real tiger for the paper one.

I support our troops and grieve the loss of Sept. 11. What really gets me mad is how the Bush administration has tried to cut VA benifits and had opposed the 3.3% raise recently awarded to our troops. They also opposed something like 1.5 billion for the GI Bill. So much for them supporting our troops.

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WI Craig

09-11-2004 20:17:22




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 Re: Lest we forget...... in reply to farmerboybill, 09-11-2004 10:35:22  
Farmerboybill

Its useless to read and respond to tripe like yours. But, oh my god, i'm doing it!!!

My address is 378 park Ave
pewaukee WI



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wdTom

09-11-2004 19:14:09




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 Re: Lest we forget...... in reply to farmerboybill, 09-11-2004 10:35:22  
Farmerboy,

Maybe the reason we haven't had another World Trade Center type of attack here is that President Bush has gone over and kicked a## on the taliban,and ended the horrors of Saddam. As for "weapons of mass destruction", well most everyone will agree he used them on his own people. Maybe they aren't there now, maybe we haven't found them, but he had the knowledge. Mr Bush even has Kadafi of Lybia giving up his WMD, after he saw it just wasn't worth it. With a bit of luck we can reelect him and even if we are attacked again he will see to it that those responsible are eliminated. And I can't thank our troops enough for what they are doing for us, (and the whole world).

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Dave TX

09-11-2004 19:05:45




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 Re: Lest we forget...... in reply to farmerboybill, 09-11-2004 10:35:22  
I agree with farmerboy - it was all about oil. The french, germans, and russians were all buying oil from Sadam behind our backs. And of course Iran had nothing to do with 911. Amazing as it sounds Al Quada was in Iraq, Afganistan, Pakistan, Philippines, Saudia Arabia, and even in Miami, Florida but there were no Al Quada in Iraq - simply amazing. Its goofy arguments like yours that are going to ensure a GOP victory. Of course good 'ol Kerry said he would have gone in too. No wait that was last week - this week he's against the war....I think. And if you want to talk about people voting against our troops and defense then just pull John Flip-flop Kerry's spectacular Senate record.

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WI Craig

09-11-2004 20:34:15




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 Re: Lest we forget...... in reply to Dave TX, 09-11-2004 19:05:45  
So what the heck side are you leaning towards. Sounds like waffeling to me!!! Reread your comment, you said Al Quada was in Iraq, but the next sentence, you state Al Quada wasn't in Iraq. Sounds like too much OIL in the old air filter BOY. Clean it out.

378 park ave
pewaukee, WI

Bring it on!!!



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Dave TX

09-12-2004 20:31:09




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 Re: Lest we forget...... in reply to WI Craig, 09-11-2004 20:34:15  
I was being sarcastic you idiot.



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WI Craig

09-11-2004 17:49:10




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 Re: Lest we forget...... in reply to farmerboybill, 09-11-2004 10:35:22  
You're an idiot.

Either you are watching NBC or CBS or you are a towel head.

Suppport your president and support the troops.

If you think life is grand in Iraq, I'll send you there myself. Below is my address. If you are man enough. Stop over.

I feel sorry for your sister to have a brother like you.

By the way, try correcting your spelling and grammar.

WI Craig



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RN

09-11-2004 16:48:21




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 Re: Lest we forget...... in reply to farmerboybill, 09-11-2004 10:35:22  
Bill- Been reading the Capital times editorial page again? Try American forces press service about Abul Abbas- captured april 14 2003 southern Bagdad area, died in U.S. custody March 9, 2004. Palestinian Liberation Front hijack of Achille Lauro october 1985 - American Leon Klinghoffer killed and dumped overboard. Saddam provided shelter to Terrorist/Guerilla/whatever in this case. Iraq/Saddam was some unfinished business/ troublemaker supporter/ threat in area- needed to be taken care of. U.N. wasn't controlling threat, U.S did what it could. What did you do about transmission in truck you pulled JD30 combine home? Combine workable? RN

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Harrygoodwrench

09-11-2004 15:44:24




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 Re: Lest we forget...... in reply to farmerboybill, 09-11-2004 10:35:22  
Farmerbillboy, HOW DARE you try and disgrace our Fine young troops over there with your political rhetoric. I have a son over ther in Iraq in the Tikrit area since last February with the 1st Infantry Division. They have seen much death and continue to do their duty and make life better for 20 million people. My sons division has lost(dead) over 100+ soldiers since February. I pity you and your sorry beliefs. With that said GOD BLESS MY TROOPS..... ..GOD BLESS AMERICA..God Bless the First Infantry Division..... ..give em hell Big Red One!

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farmerboybill

09-11-2004 19:51:45




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 Re: Lest we forget...... in reply to Harrygoodwrench, 09-11-2004 15:44:24  
Political rhetoric? I swear you read the first line and figured me for what you think I am. Mr. Bush is the master of political rhetoric.

I SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, I DO NOT SUPPORT WHY WE ARE IN IRAQ . Our troops do thier duty without question. They go where they are told to go. Frankly, they have done and are doing a hell of a job in Iraq, considering the command they are under. That does nothing to diminish the fact that they SHOULD NOT BE THERE.

We have not finished our business in Afghanistan and should be committing every resource available to that end. You don't milk half the cows and then go cut hay. You finish milking the cows.

Had we finished our business, Bin Laden would not still be at large.

Had we finished our business, we would have a healthy democracy in the armpit of the world instead of two quagmires.

Let me remind you that Afghanistan is on the other side of Iran, still a very, very good position very near the Middle East. We weren't terribly interested because they had no oil and Mr. Bush had a vendetta to settle with Mr Hussein. Mr. Hussein was a monster but he had no teeth, WE KNEW THAT. Mr Bush in Kuwait in 2002 said "He tried to kill my father." I read that in Time Magazine under the quotations section.

Are you a truck driver? Ever "cooked the books"? With little arm-twisting, the politicos can make the CIA and FBI "cook the books" as well. Not one of the points Mr. Bush made before the war has been proven true. You do not hear him state one of those claims today. You also do not hear him taking the blame for these falsehoods. Funny how Tenet has decided to step down.

Mark - You listen to Rush. I do hope you realize he is not a true journalist by any strech of the imagination. At best, he is a political commentator with a very obvious political affiliation.

Craig - you failed to give your address. I'm just north of Madison in Dane. I also drive to Lancaster several weekends a year to help family and friends on thier various farms. Let me know when you wanna meet... On my grammer, you got the gist of it, eh? Petty people attack the unimportant point to get away from addressing the important ones...

Mr. Goodwrench - I am very proud of my sister and your son for their courage to stand up and defend our country. My sister tells me a very differant story of Iraq. Every time shots are fired, the Iraqi police run for their holes. The country is in chaos and the only ones here in America who don't see it are die hard Bush supporters and thier mouthpieces. Like I said, our troops are doing a good job with what they have. Problem is, they don't have enough.

Maybe we should reinstate the draft. That would open a lot of people eyes. People don't tend to pay attention unless it DIRECTLY affects them or someone they know. The Administration has put a stop loss on the military. That means no one can not reenlist. They have also recalled 7000 troops that had previously retired. Mind you, these aren't reservists. They are people who have returned to civilian life for up to seven years. We are very obviously short of troops. Not something we would be dealing with if your son and my sister were where they should be - in Afghanistan. Once again, they go where they are told.

No soldier holding the line in our military is being disgraced by me. They are being disgraced by Mr. Bush and his lies.

RN - I was referring to the hijackers of Sept 11. As I said, Mr. Hussein was a monster. Why did we not aid the Kurds during Bush I's administration instead of letting him slaughter them and make the mass graves we found after Gulf War II? Mr. Bush I promised aid to anyone who rose up against Hussein. He never put our money where his mouth was...

I did get that 30 going with just a little shot of grease. Worked like a charm for the couple acres of my grandpas rye. A 3020D handles it quite well. I bit the bullet and put a rebuilt tranny in my truck. 1400 bucks later, it better run for another 10 years.

Once again for those of you who don't get it - I support our troops but do not support the war in Iraq.

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WI Craig

09-11-2004 21:01:25




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 Re: Lest we forget...... in reply to farmerboybill, 09-11-2004 19:51:45  
Location is Madison, explains a lot.

Sorry, My address is 378 park ave Pewaukee WI. Approximtely 20 minutes west of Milwaukee, off I-94. Gray house, south side of the street, I'm the petty guy cleaning his rifle on the porch.

Stop in, we'll talk about your moving plans to Iraq!!!

By the way, how are those grammar lessons going.



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farmerboybill

09-11-2004 23:41:57




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 Re: Lest we forget...... in reply to RN, 09-11-2004 22:41:54  
I don't want to get into who's to blame for 9-11. It was a major failure across the board. Both parties as well as many agencies of the gov't are to blame.

You aren't going to get me out to fight for or defend the Dems. I publically challenge this administration because they hold closer to my beliefs than the other side does. If you can't criticize your friends without this insulting back-and-forth, are they really your friends? When they adamantly defend this HUGE mistake called Iraq, I really get depressed and upset.

Why can't they just say,"We messed up, we're gonna try to fix it" instead of "You're an idiot" or "You have goofy arguments" or "You are disgracing our troops". No one can admit mistakes. I'm amazed and horrified.

Remember my comparison of both parties to caged monkeys in suits, flinging thier own feces at one another? I stand by it. You said they aren't caged. I disagree. The dems are in the whiners cage, the reps are in the Bought-And-Paid-For cage. Looks a lot like they're caged to me.

I'm 24 years old. I do not know of a single friend my age that is going to put forth the effort to vote. I can't even get my wife to show some interest in figuring out who she wants to vote for. Nov 3, she expects me to tell her when we get to the voting booth. Sometimes, I think I should just go jump into the We-Don't-Give-A-Crap cage with everyone else.

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RN

09-12-2004 00:12:48




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 Re: Lest we forget...... in reply to farmerboybill, 09-11-2004 23:41:57  
The monkeys seem to be out of the cages and throwing ---t at everybody not just each other. Comments directed at you - language getting a bit unseemly?- proves the previous sentence. As Talers comment- put on the rubber boots (and perhaps full body armor) and don't lose your sense of humor. Election time is when we get a chance to put the monkeys back in the cage. If more confusion and need help, read Sun Tzu- the 'art of war'(mine is Griffith translation) and the Bible- start with gospel Luke. RN

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Harrygoodwrench

09-12-2004 13:36:20




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 Re: Lest we forget...... in reply to RN, 09-12-2004 00:12:48  
Bottom line!!!!! !!!!! !!!!!
Support and thank your Troops. They don't want to be there but its their job. Its been 125 to 130 degrees there and its so hot you must were gloves just to hold your weapon. Add onto that body armor, gear, ammo, firefights and suicide bombers, roadside bombs and its enough to make the best miserible. They are all volunteer and the BEST troops ever assembled "ever". Its not "my opine" it is that of the Generals!!!! So with that said even if you don't agree politically, just keep your opinion to yourself and go vote if you don't like the present administration.

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farmerboybill

09-12-2004 16:18:28




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 Re: Lest we forget...... in reply to Harrygoodwrench, 09-12-2004 13:36:20  
Why is it that you can run around talking up our involvment in this war and how it's gonna make us safe but I am s'posed to keep my belief that it isn't to myself?

I have just as much emotional investment in this bad situation as you do. My sister is in as much danger as your son is.

Correction, she's in more. The insurgants would love to get a hold of a live female U.S. soldier more than they would a male one. Jessica Lynch's fellow male soldiers were shot but she was kept alive...

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