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stan

09-09-2004 01:25:54




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Like almost everyone else in the country we threw used motoroil on the gruond to keep dust down, which was a good way to get rid of used oil. This practice was stopped 15 or so years ago.Oil is now recycled. Here is the problem my brother and my self need to split what is left of our farm, after the death of our Mother, Dad passed away 12 years ago. The city is going to require test holes to be drilled to check for contamination. Do you think the oil will still be in the ground after 15 years? All the fuel tanks are above ground, so that should not be a problem. Any one else ever had to do this? The ground is adobe.Thanks for any info Stan

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MapleStone

09-09-2004 12:04:14




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 Re: oil in ground in reply to stan, 09-09-2004 01:25:54  
Holy Cow!

First of all before you get too carried away let's define quantity and area covered here.

If you're like us, you have a couple of tractors a truck or 2 and a family car. All together about 5 galons of oil. And you wouldn't likely change the oil much more than twice a year in the tractors and maybe 3 time a year in the car and trucks so all together you have maybe 10 to 15 gallons a year.

Now how much area was this 15 gallons of oil spread over? Did you just do it around the house and barn or did you do the whole lane back to your fields? Was it sprayed on in a fine mist or just poured out of a bucket?

My guess would be that unless they sample the driveway itself they will never find anything.

Think of it this way. If their samples were that precise they would be more likely to find the spot where you blew a hydraulic hose or some other field break down than your dust contol.

Just my opinion though

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Mark - IN.

09-09-2004 20:22:48




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 Re: oil in ground in reply to MapleStone, 09-09-2004 12:04:14  
Exactly.



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Tim B

09-09-2004 10:20:13




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 Re: oil in ground in reply to stan, 09-09-2004 01:25:54  
Stan,

Firstly, don't tell anyone about the oil spraying if you can avoid it. Let who ever the city hires to do the work make their own decisions as to what problems they will be concerned with and look for.

Aside from that; what's there is there. If something is found it will need to be dealt with in accordance with the oil and hazardous material regulations of your state. Don't be proactive at this point. They may not find anything, and if they do it may not be considered a problem that needs to be cleaned up.

If your soils are "tight" (i.e., clayey with low permeabilty) the oil may have stayed near the soil surface (though is also may have moved overland with rain runoff). Oil is an organic material that certain bacteria will eat for lunch. If nutrients were available along with some warmth and moisture and the oil stayed near the surface there may not be much left after 15 years.

Used oil has metals associated with it (lead, copper, chromium, cadmium) but unless there was some migration to a wetland or pond, or for some reason your used oil had unusually high levels of metals, the levels in soil resulting from that practice are not likely to be a signficant concern.

Good luck.

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Harvey B.

09-09-2004 08:50:37




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 Re: oil in ground in reply to stan, 09-09-2004 01:25:54  
I would be careful with this. You don"t want to open a can of worms where you will be responsible for an expensive cleanup which could break the bank. As others have suggested it may be good to hire a testing/remediation company to check it out first. Even then you might have a problem if state/local environmental law requires them to report the contamination to authorities even though the company is working for you.
Just out of curioity, does your county require this for all farmland being bought/sold, or are you planning to create residential lots of the place?

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stan

09-09-2004 12:34:39




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 Re: oil in ground in reply to Harvey B., 09-09-2004 08:50:37  
In order to get the properity divided,as Mom's will stated, new parcel numbers neede to be created. My brother and my self can wait to do this, but things will only get harder if we put it off. We don't intend to develope the properity, we just want new legal boundries. I still need a place to keep my tractors, and junk. Stan



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Mike M

09-09-2004 07:43:05




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 Re: oil in ground in reply to stan, 09-09-2004 01:25:54  
If you have any questionable fields spread some manure on them,More than likely the drillers won't go there cause they don't want to get poop on them. Unless it is also banned to spread manure.



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James1

09-09-2004 07:33:18




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 Re: oil in ground in reply to stan, 09-09-2004 01:25:54  
Oil will decompose over time, but it is a slow process. Unless you did spread it very light it likely will show up as still present. If there were repeat as well as heavy applications, you don't need to wait for the fat lady to sing, e.g. it's over. We just sold a farm and they did similar drillings, but did not drill the driveway. Used oil was repeatly spread over our driveway to keep down the dust. We never dumped oil anywhere else. This practice was also commonly used by the county on gravel roads to control dust in the 50's and early 60's. I believe they changed to Calcium Chloride in the late 60's or early 70's. I don't see how you can be singled out for spreading used oil to control driveway dust, when it was a common practice used even by the government. If the city used the practice, I bet they will not even consider drilling the driveway.

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Mark - IN.

09-09-2004 06:06:36




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 Re: oil in ground in reply to stan, 09-09-2004 01:25:54  
I'm assuming that you used the old oil on the dirt drive, on the dirt road out front to keep the dust down. I don't suppose that everytime you changed oil that you poured it right where you changed the oil? You don't have 600 different places around the property where you dumped oil do you? My guess is that they will be checking for fertilizers in the ground, especially near the well. Not to say that they won't check for oils or fuels, but...

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Nolan

09-09-2004 05:26:07




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 Re: oil in ground in reply to stan, 09-09-2004 01:25:54  
Stan,

By your description, I take it you used to spread the oil on the driveway and roads, not simply all over the yard and fields.

The oil on the roads will stay and slowly seep down, but it tends not to migrate sideways. So you're not likely to find it in the lawn areas.

So, the next issue has to do with the location and depth of these test drillings. If they test the driveway and roads, they are going to come up with positive readings. In the field and lawn, they will not.

But, if you guys dumped the heck out of oil, and they drill deep, they still may come up with a positive reading.

There is also the matter of at what level does your jurisdiction require remediation or other actions. You need to check into this as well, so you know what things you're potentially looking at.

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TheRealRon

09-09-2004 04:17:27




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 Re: oil in ground in reply to stan, 09-09-2004 01:25:54  
Of course it will be found. HCs persist in the soil and the tests are sensitive down to parts per million.

You might want to check with a remediation company ahead of time and get their opinion.



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Peanut

09-09-2004 07:14:26




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 Re: oil in ground in reply to TheRealRon, 09-09-2004 04:17:27  
I agree with Ron. I am almost certain they"ll find it. Next question is what level of contamination is allowable? Your local remediation company will be able to answer that for you. Your Adobe dirt is considered clay in my part of the country. Where can the oil go in clay? No where.



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KURT (mi)

09-09-2004 02:18:31




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 Re: oil in ground in reply to stan, 09-09-2004 01:25:54  
What is Adobe? Make sure that the test holes are far enough away from where the oil was poured out. The company that bought my place of employment 5 years ago had test holes drilled in the floor to check for whatever. It must have not been too bad because they bought the place. One way to check the ground is to have the well water tested, if no hydrocarbons or oil waste is present then you should be okay, it depends on how much oil you dumped out.

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stan

09-09-2004 12:45:30




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 Re: oil in ground in reply to KURT (mi), 09-09-2004 02:18:31  
You ask what is adobe. When disking adobe ground that is a little wet, you think your tractor is loosing power only to look back and see you have been draging your disk that is now a mud ball. The adobe is like clay real sticky when wet.



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