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Woodstove Chimney prices...ouch

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Pajamafied John

09-08-2004 17:57:41




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Has anyone any ideas of where I can purchase a 6" chimney system for a wood/coal burning furnace at a reasonable price? My nieghbor gave me a really nice wood burning furnace I plan to install in my garage workshop. I started shopping for a through wall chimney system (combustible wall) and almost passed out. Maybe I was a little naive in my price expectations but $550 to $950 was a little shocking. I will only need around 10-12 ft of insulated chimney pipe. I'm going to have to come up with something...(a safe something) because the furnace is just way too nice not to use.

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Pajamafied John...The Che

09-09-2004 18:18:14




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 Re: Woodstove Chimney prices...ouch in reply to Pajamafied John, 09-08-2004 17:57:41  
O.K. Decided to look at a through the roof system and did more measuring. 3x36" insulated SS chimney $172.86. 1 through the roof ceiling support system complete with chimney cap, $123.07. 2 Band clamps and 48" of black stove pipe for a total of $329.41 including tax. This system will meet code and is a far cry from the $900 quote I got from the local masonry outlet. Sometimes it pays to be a cheapskate.
Last year I ordered a Kerosene Mr. Heater Torpedo heater from The Tool Crib, it leaked kerosene at the tank. I got a replacement, it also leaked. I went to a Reddy propane torpedo type from another source, it vibrated all over the garage floor. I did see some propane heaters at Lowes that looked good though. More Reddy heaters but I think the one I was sent had been an earlier defect return. Anyway I'm in wood stove mode. Thanks to everyone for their thoughts.

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KURT ---Oh, yeah I forgot

09-09-2004 17:04:06




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 Re: Woodstove Chimney prices...ouch in reply to Pajamafied John, 09-08-2004 17:57:41  
I forgot to mention that you could use a torpedo heater (kerosene) for your shop, I did that for years at my old house, $200 for a torpedo heater and it heated up the 250ft2 shop in about 1 hour to a nice toasty 70f. $200 is cheaper than $700 or more for pipe. Then take that wood stove and sell it for some offering plate money at church.



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FarmerDave

09-09-2004 15:04:55




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 Re: Woodstove Chimney prices...ouch in reply to Pajamafied John, 09-08-2004 17:57:41  
I got a similar problem.

I see these concrete block deals for sale at the country hardware store. Are they more expensive?

I was thinking of setting mine right beside the building under the ridge.

Every now and again I see other people have built them.

Sure wish I had a instruction book on building one.

TIA



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TheRealRon

09-09-2004 07:50:53




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 Re: Woodstove Chimney prices...ouch in reply to Pajamafied John, 09-08-2004 17:57:41  
You already got the stove for free and now you want to cheapskate your way out of a proper chimmney?

Sorry, it's your deal, do as you see fit, but my $.02 says "there's a time and place to save money... and this ain't it".

And forget the thru-wall deal. They get cold and draw poorly. Run the correct pipe straight up thru the roof. Yeah, it's more work, but you only have to do it once instead of live with a stove that won't draw for the rest of your life. Be sure to follow the setbacks for your particular stove. Often they are 36" and that makes them unfit for smaller garages.

Me, I'd tell him to keep it, install a $200 electric heater near the ceiling, run the proper 220v service to it, and then turn it on/off as you need it. Unless you spend a lot of time in the garage, this might be the cheapest long-term solution. It also gives you instant heat.

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1 dave

09-09-2004 05:20:36




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 Re: Woodstove Chimney prices...ouch in reply to Pajamafied John, 09-08-2004 17:57:41  
I heat my shop with a wood burner , and here
is how I got around the high price of
chimneys.Take a 20 foot piece of culvert pipe, and stand it outside the wall you plan on putting the stove.run a piece of insulated stove pipe through the wall to the culvert, you can even get fancy and cut a door in the bottom of the culvert pipe to clean out ashes. I have used this set up for 15 years and never a problem. common sense and a little imagination goes a long way. can"t wait to here all the guys boo me on this one

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T_Bone

09-09-2004 07:08:10




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 Re: Woodstove Chimney prices...ouch in reply to 1 dave, 09-09-2004 05:20:36  
Hi Dave,

"common sense " and there lies the problem! You can't just have anyone at any time do some tasks without being a danger to themselfs muchless being a danger to there family.

Another consideration is when you insure a structure the insuree wants that install to be too code or when all fails the insuree doesn't want to pay. If you are your own insurrance company then this does not matter.

Example: When I was a apprentice, I built a sheep herders stove for camp. I also made all my own pipe and roof thimble. I had a break down on one of the vechiles and my garage was unheated so I got the bright idea to install the wood stove in the garage as it was cold and the snow was flying.

I cut a hole in my flat roof and made a roof jack for a 12" hole as the single wall stove pipe was 4" diameter so 4" air clearance all around should be enough. I set the roof jack in roofing mastic and shot a few screws to hold it down then installed the 4" stack thru on a china cap (rain cap) and stoked the fire box and lit'er up.

Geezs it looked good with the fire in something I had made with my own hands warming my cold garage so I headed into the house for a cup of coffee with the wife, well maybe brag a tad bit too.

I got to playing with the kids and forgot about my wood stove for about 45mins. I walk into the attached garage and observed roofing mastic running down the stove pipe dripping tar on top of my new wood stove. OOOP's

I was very lucky that the roofing mastic didn't catch fire but it was close as you could hardly breath the air for all the tar smoke.

Lessons learned that day:
Why we need roof thimbles
Why we need double/triple wall pipe
Why I needed to ask a few quesions before starting my next project.

Thoughts 35yrs latter; Why we need building codes was answered 35yrs before.

This was 35yrs ago when there wasn't no stink'n internet :) But I worked for a 250 man sheetmetal shop that had the experts to asnswer the questions I should have asked before starting my project.

T_Bone

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rustyfarmall

09-09-2004 05:49:42




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 Re: Woodstove Chimney prices...ouch in reply to 1 dave, 09-09-2004 05:20:36  
I have seen similar systems to what you describe, even to the point of using a small diameter pipe inside a larger one to create an insulated system. This helps keep the temperature up, improving the draw. They seem to work very well, and done properly will even look good.



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Pajamafied John

09-09-2004 03:21:07




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 Re: Woodstove Chimney prices...ouch in reply to Pajamafied John, 09-08-2004 17:57:41  
I'm going to keep on the lookout for the best deal I can find . I will go to code though and have done some research on this. The garage is 100' from the house so the wife and kids will be o.k. regardless...but I have a lot of equipment and tools I REALLY like to keep. Looked at Lowe's the other day and found 36" sections at around $57 but then there is the Tee and through wall thimble and Tee support bracket and straps....on and on. Gets to be real $

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KURT (mi)

09-09-2004 02:22:34




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 Re: Woodstove Chimney prices...ouch in reply to Pajamafied John, 09-08-2004 17:57:41  
I had bought my wood burner back in 2001, the stove was $1100, the pipe was $900 and to install the pipe was $400, $2400 total--ouch. But it was done by a professional. Doing it right aint cheap. But you will sleep better at night.



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CRUSADER

09-09-2004 00:50:19




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 Re: Woodstove Chimney prices...ouch in reply to Pajamafied John, 09-08-2004 17:57:41  
John,
You may want to check into the insurance requirements and the local building codes. Since your putting the stove into a workshop, and if it's not attached to the house you can probably get by with the single pipe for it. Back home on the farm my father has a wood stove in the house for heat. When we installed it back in 1980, we put in an eight inch chimney pipe. The outer pipe is galvanized with insulation, another heat deflection, air space and stainless steel. Don't recall the price of the chimney, but it was between $800 and $900 as close as I can recall. In 1993, we had to replace the chimney and I almost soiled my underwear. The pipe for the chimney was over $1,100. But at the same time, the insurance company has looked at both installations of the chimney and has never made any comments about not continuing the coverage. When the stove was installed he asked for the name of the stove and chimney manufacturer so he could recommend them to other clients. In summarizing this long post, As expensive as the chimney may cost, it's fairly cheap compared to replacing the contents and structures.

later days mate,
Jim

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T_Bone

09-09-2004 00:33:56




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 Re: Woodstove Chimney prices...ouch in reply to Pajamafied John, 09-08-2004 17:57:41  
Hi John,

And don't forget code calls for the stack to be 2ft above anything 10ft horzontial away from the stack. This keeps the stack drawing as well as keeps back drafts out.

Most people who cheat this part of the code will complain that the stove is smokey and is hard to light duing windy conditions. Depending on just how much the stack is short or near another roof slope will also cause the stack to cerosote the walls easy.

Have you priced triple wall roof thimbles? Shocker No2 coming if you haven't.

Good idea to read up on the fireplace code intall requirments as they keep your family safe. These would be in the NFPC (National Fire Protection Code) book. Your local fire dept. would have a copy.

T_Bone

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marlowe

09-08-2004 19:38:40




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 Re: Woodstove Chimney prices...ouch in reply to Pajamafied John, 09-08-2004 17:57:41  
got mine at our locale fleet farm was like 55.00 for three feet also menards has it i got the three wall and have about 29 feet trough the house and like it a lot but just put in a out door boiler so it's comeing out. if your in wi. you can have it. even with a class a chimney ins. is out of line. and with the out door we heat the shop and one more house



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BrokenFences

09-08-2004 18:06:00




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 Re: Woodstove Chimney prices...ouch in reply to Pajamafied John, 09-08-2004 17:57:41  
Just looked at 6" insulated pipe at Tractor Supply- 61.00 per 36" section. Don't know about 90 degree support pieces though. My math still says that's alot less than $550. I'm in the same spot, free stove, plenty of wood, but the dang chimney will take a second mortgage.



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paul

09-08-2004 19:42:16




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 Re: Woodstove Chimney prices...ouch in reply to BrokenFences, 09-08-2004 18:06:00  
Regulations & insurance & liability these days. I don't believe you will get by any cheaper and have that 'safe' part....

--->Paul



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