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M - losing oil rapidly, but where?

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Farmall J

09-03-2004 06:36:45




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I recently bought a used head and had the head boiled and cleaned thoroughly. Two valves were replaced and all moved freely before replacing. My problem is while the tractor runs great, when I went to change the oil after running for 2 hours, there was barely 3 quarts to drain out of the pan after filling it up before running. There is oil bubbling out of the spark plugs. I am not sure about oil in the water due to the water not being completely clean prior to use. Could I have placed the head gasket on incorrectly? Could I have a cracked block, and if so, how could I detect it? The engine didn"t smoke, so I am not sure if oil is escaping through the exhaust manifold. The cylinder walls were not scored when I replaced the head, but there are now metal filings in what oil I did drain out of it. Any ideas?
thanks in advance

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Allan in NE

09-03-2004 07:15:52




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 Re: M - losing oil rapidly, but where? in reply to Farmall J, 09-03-2004 06:36:45  
FJ,

First task is to find that oil. If the tractor wasn't burning oil, wasn't smoking and wasn't knocking, then look for the easy answers first.

Pull your valve cover and check your drainback holes. Maybe all that oil is up in the top.

I don't know what kind of trash you have in the oil, but after every overhaul, there is going to be a certain amout of flushing of scraps into the oil. This is completely normal.

Let us know what you find,

Allan

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TheRealRon

09-03-2004 06:50:26




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 Re: M - losing oil rapidly, but where? in reply to Farmall J, 09-03-2004 06:36:45  
A cylinder leakdown test will reveal all. However, it might be academic at this point; the engine has to come apart. Hot tanking and blowing out all the passages is the only way to remove all the filings.

Discuss costs with your machine shop; this can be pricey.



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george md

09-03-2004 22:06:46




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 Re: M - losing oil rapidly, but where? in reply to TheRealRon, 09-03-2004 06:50:26  
Ron, I noticed that you think that a comp test or
a leak down test will reveal all. Those tests will
not -repeat will not - tell you the condition of the oil control rings , those tests will give you
a good indication of the condition of the comp
rings . Example- in the last ten years I have had 4 jobs
come in the shop , all diesel, with very good
comp but using large quantities of oil. 2 were IH
industrial ,they got up to 3 quarts/hr, 1 was cont
2 qts/hr and 1 was 6.9 in ford pickup , 5 qts/225
miles.Remember all with good comp. The 2 IH and the cont all had 2 oil rings, upper one was 3
piece and had a scraper ring below the pin bore.
Those were engineering problem,cannot use 3 piece
ring above scraper ring , use one piece cast oil
ring above or use 3 piece without scraper ring.
The 6.9 had the rails of the oil ring wedged between
the expander and the side of the ring groove so that it could not touch the cyl wall.
Have also the other extreme that had more vapor coming out of the crankcase vent than out of the
exaust pipe and had very low comp but use almost
no oil .

The last time we had a discussion you posted
some smart alec responses and signed buick and deeres handle to them , don"t think you should do it again . The madam pulled those posts and
because of them and the complaints filed with
them , I think is why she put password protection
on the names .
I have some other bones to pick , but I will wait untill the time is ripe for them . have a good day .

george

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TheRealRon

09-04-2004 01:24:41




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 Re: M - losing oil rapidly, but where? in reply to george md, 09-03-2004 22:06:46  
You are, of course, wrong. Your need to personally attack me reveals that you have the mind of a child. Now go play with your toy tractors and let us real men get on with the business of solving tractor problems.



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