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Stuck engine or rusted clutch on an A?

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rob nickel

08-31-2004 13:51:00




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My old 41A ran fine before parking it for the winter a few year's back. Then in spring when I'd gone to fire her up the flywheel got harder and harder to spin over until eventually she was completely stuck as she's been ever since. Seem's to me a rusted stuck piston would have made it impossible for me to spin the engine at all however? So I was wondering if this doesn't sound more like perhaps a cluth basket problem of some kind? And not a frozen piston situation, to some of you more experianced men in the field? And if so, where would a guy begin to look for this sort of a problem? Which covers would he remove firstly in order to check for this type of problem? And what might he then expect to be facing if in fact such a problem exsists? Thank's for your answers before hand as I know you guy's are the best and some of you are sure to post your advice.

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Andy McClure

09-10-2004 20:51:51




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 Re: Stuck engine or rusted clutch on an A? in reply to rob nickel, 08-31-2004 13:51:00  
I was wondering by chance if you had tried rolling the engine backwards. If this doesn't work. You might have to resort to trying to pull the tractor with either a four-wheel drive or another tractor.



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rob nickel

09-03-2004 22:06:45




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 Re: Stuck engine or rusted clutch on an A? in reply to rob nickel, 08-31-2004 13:51:00  
Thank's for the responce so far guy's. I guess I should have offered more detail's about the problem in my original posting but better late than never right? Anyway? Firstly the tractor is a 41 Jd A flywheel hand start, no electric start, and the crankcase and cylinders both had been lubed up before storing this machine for the winter. Drained the diesel out of the crankcase brfore attempting to fire her up this spring time, and after removing the cover on top of the cc it was possible to see that the cc definately isn't rusty and neither are the con rods or rocker arm's/valves etc.... Had sprayed a generous amount of wd40 into the plug holes as well as topping them off with trans fluid and penetrating oil when parking her? And have tried cranking the flywheel with a long piece of 1" steel pipe and a chain without any luck so far. It seem's to me that with the plugs out and the decompression valves open, this engine should spin quite freely with a setup like this, but no ,not this one! Hasn't budged one bit yet after week's of allowing the brew in cylinders to do it's work, and I'm about to give up? How could this thing still be so seised that it still doesn't give one inch but the clutch is not ?

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Bob

08-31-2004 17:56:30




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 Re: Stuck engine or rusted clutch on an A? in reply to rob nickel, 08-31-2004 13:51:00  
What color is your "A"?



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New-Gen

08-31-2004 15:16:55




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 Re: Stuck engine or rusted clutch on an A? in reply to rob nickel, 08-31-2004 13:51:00  
Sounds like it "dry-stuck"--In other words, when you rolled the engine over the cylinders were dry from having sat idle, and your cranking wasn"t fast enough to get enough oil pressure for proper lubrication. This, combined with maybe a too rich fuel mixture from being flooded, caused the pistons to sieze. Try taking the spark plugs out and pouring Liquid Wrench or WD40 {They both come in liquid form} into the cylinders. Then after it"s soaked for a couple of days, try to break it loose. Then hook on and pull it around until the oil pressure builds up.
One word of cauion, before you try breaking the engine loose remove the valve cover and make sure there aren"t any stuck valves. This could save you a bent pushrod or broken tappet.
There"s no way the clutch could be causing the problem.

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New-Gen

08-31-2004 15:13:38




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 Re: Stuck engine or rusted clutch on an A? in reply to rob nickel, 08-31-2004 13:51:00  
Sounds like it "dry-stuck"--In other words, when you rolled the engine over the cylinders were dry from having sat idle, and your cranking wasn"t fast enough to get enough oil pressure for proper lubrication. This, combined with maybe a too rich fuel mixture from being flooded, caused the pistons to sieze. Try taking the spark plugs out and pouring Liquid Wrench or WD40 {They both come in liquid form} into the cylinders. Then after it"s soaked for a couple of days, try to break it loose. Then hook on and pull it around until the oil pressure builds up.
One word of cauion, before you try breaking the engine loose remove the valve cover and make sure there aren"t any stuck valves. This could save you a bent pushrod or broken tappet.
There"s no way the clutch could be causing the problem.

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Kevin (FL)

08-31-2004 14:30:29




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 Re: Stuck engine or rusted clutch on an A? in reply to rob nickel, 08-31-2004 13:51:00  
Rob,

"A few years back" is what you're saying how long its been since the engine was run. Even a couple or years is enough time for an engine to freeze up. Hopefully you didn't do any damage to the liners or rings when you cranked it over. Hindsight says you should have removed the spark plugs and added some oil to the cylinders. Try doing that first--spray some penetrating oil into each spark plug hole and let it sit a few days.

Then remove the starter so you can get to the flywheel. Try prying the flywheel up and down with a large screwdriver or a crowbar--be careful not to damage ring gear teeth. Don't put a whole lot of pressure and apply pressure in both directions--alternating each time.

It wouldn't hurt either to remove the valve cover and spray some oil on the rocker arms and valves too--then you'll also be able to make sure you don't have any stuck valves.

You didn't mention that the tractor was trying to roll when cranking, so I'm assuming the clutch isn't stuck. Did the cranking speed slowing down happen no matter what the clutch position was? Also, it goes without saying that you need a good hot battery and clean, tight connections, etc...

Last thing I thought about--hopefully you had antifreeze in the engine/radiator--right?? Down south, many a good tractor has been ruined by folks not spending a few bucks on antifreeze. Since we don't always get what they call "hard freezes", it seems that people don't always bother...

That's just a few ideas that came to mind--I'm sure you'll get plenty of advice from some of the other fellows too. Repost with an update so we'll know what you've checked.

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m131

08-31-2004 16:59:03




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 Re: Stuck engine or rusted clutch on an A? in reply to Kevin (FL), 08-31-2004 14:30:29  
I believe you have had MICE get into the CLUTCH housing and built a NEST there.



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John Deere Mechanic

08-31-2004 22:44:10




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 Re: Stuck engine or rusted clutch on an A? in reply to m131, 08-31-2004 16:59:03  
Just another thing to check, If your carburetor float is gummed up from sitting or improperly adjusted, It may be letting so much fuel into the cylinders that they 'fill up' preventing the piston to move toward TDC any further on a compression stroke. I doubt it would be from lack of lubrication, as with the slow cranking speeds from starters or Hand cranking would not be enough to sieze a motor. It would not be the clutch unless your tractor was in gear. but possibly a cracked block from improperly draining the water or weak antifreeze, or rusted cylinder from moisture.

Good luck, Russ

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