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OT - One for the fellas (serious)

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ShepFL

08-28-2004 21:54:47




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Hey Gang -
I think of y'all as some my greatest buddies so here I go. This yr. as part of my BSA program I want to impress upon the scouts of my troop what it means to be a man. Currently my troop boys ages range from 14-17.

With so much confusion about the role of men in our current society coupled with the way our culture villifies masculinity I am seeking a way to enrich their lives. I want them to be secure in their role of being the next generation of men.

I am looking for your comments be they spiritual, heart-felt, brutually honest, of firm conviction etc. I am looking for something that expresses the essence of being a man, the qualities and virture of being a man. Perhaps a defining moment in your own life that you realized what it meant to be a man.

If I get positive feedback I expect it will be incorporated into our program. Soon some of these boys will soon be leaving to begin their own lives. It is my hope that in someway I will have contributed is shaping the character of these boys as they travel life's journey to become men.


Ladies, if you choose to respond pls provide comments as to what you think a man should be. Describe the qualities and virtues which every man can earn to elevate himself.

Thanks in advance.
ShepFL

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Matt Clark

08-31-2004 07:54:04




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 Re: OT - One for the fellas (serious) in reply to ShepFL, 08-28-2004 21:54:47  
I had only my mom and grandma growing up...no dad in sight and grandpa died when I was real young. I managed to grow into an "almost acceptable human being" (according to my wife, anyway, LOL). These may be applicable in so many kids' lives, today. They are just a few of the things my mom taught me.

1. NEVER put anything before your family...not jobs, friends, or hobbies.

2. Your kids will be on their own soon...no matter what their age. You only have so many years to teach them to be good people. Take advantage of every minute.

3. Never look for credit or admiration for what you've done that was good or right, but ALWAYS take responsibility for what you've done that wasn't.

4. Never underestimate the value of a "Yes, sir" or a "No, ma'am".

5. Respect must be earned by the younger, but given freely to the elder.

6. Share what you have....whatever it is. A mess of catfish filets or a bag of mushrooms are worth their weight in gold to those no longer able to gather them on their own.

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Steve W (NY)

08-30-2004 06:26:22




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 Manners! in reply to ShepFL, 08-28-2004 21:54:47  
There are a lot of good points below, but one that wasn't listed and is very important is manners. My grandmother and grandfather who lived at our house were sticklers on "Thank you's" and "Your Welcome", and all the other stuff. Opening Doors, addressing older people as Mister and Mrs. As a kid, it was automatic to be polite as my grandparents had taught us.

Also, since we lived with older people, we never had any kind of generation gap. My friends in High School and College were always impressed how I got along with their parents and grandparents, but it was natural.

In society today, parents teach their kids to call adults byt their first name, slowly breaking down the hierarchy of respect that should be given to adults. It makes my blood boil. We also shove older people into homes, so that kids never learn the wisdom that life gives us.

Anyway, I don't know if this helps, but if you can impress upon the scouts how far being polite with good manners will get them, you will have done something.

Take Care
Steve

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ShepFL

08-30-2004 07:32:46




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 Re: Manners! in reply to Steve W (NY), 08-30-2004 06:26:22  
Steve -
You are so right on the money with manners. I am generally very polite and have been complimented on my manners.

My own 2 sons are raised this same way. Call my house and my sons answer "Hello, the Sheppards, may I ask who is calling?"

Pls, thank your, you are welcome, beg your pardon, excuse me are all part of our daily life around our place. It goes without saying down here in the South that children and young adults will say Yes Sir, No Sir, Yes Ma"am, No Ma"am, etc.

When folks compliment me how well mannered, well behaved my boys are I IMMEDIATELY have the individual direct those compliments to my sons. I find this just reinforces it for them plus they get the recognition for doing the right thing.

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BB

08-30-2004 05:15:18




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 Re: OT - One for the fellas (serious) in reply to ShepFL, 08-28-2004 21:54:47  
Shep - Read this story about a coach in Parade Magazine. An inspiring story.



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Pappy

08-29-2004 22:12:11




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 Re: OT - One for the fellas (serious) in reply to ShepFL, 08-28-2004 21:54:47  
I used to tell my boys: "Do the best job you can do---but remember, only you will ever know."



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Davis In SC

08-29-2004 21:16:12




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 Re: OT - One for the fellas (serious) in reply to ShepFL, 08-28-2004 21:54:47  
It must be tough to be a teen now. So many negative influences... ( drugs, violence in the media, rap music, etc.) Shep, I commend you on taking over the Scout Troop!! From reading your prior posts, you seem to be an honest , level headed man. In addition to the great ideas the others have posted, I have one suggestion.... Let the Scouts grow something. Even planting a few tomatoes, & watching them grow, & harvesting them is one of the greatest things they can experience...

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Gene Davis (Ga.)

08-29-2004 18:50:00




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 Re: OT - One for the fellas (serious) in reply to ShepFL, 08-28-2004 21:54:47  
They will do well to remember that God is the creator of the universe and not mankind. They will also need high moral standards and christian values instilled in them to be able to withstand all the trials and tribulations their generation of young men will face in growing up. Keep up the good work. More people need to dedicate time to mentoring and advising the younger generation! Gene Davis

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Bob Spooner

08-30-2004 05:28:19




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 Re: OT - One for the fellas (serious) in reply to young man, 08-29-2004 18:26:38  
Instead of beating your conservative chest you should:
1. Learn to spell.
2. Learn to punctuate.
3. Learn to present your thought in a understandable manner.

Until you have mastered the 3 points above, your poor communication skills serve only to negate the validity of whatever point you are trying to make.



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Paul in Mich

08-30-2004 06:43:44




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 Re: OT - One for the fellas (serious) in reply to Bob Spooner, 08-30-2004 05:28:19  
Bob, I wouldnt go so far as to label the young man a conservative. A Facist, maybe, but we conservatives would never adopt or claim such blather as a core tenet. This guy's thinking would probably set better with Benito and Adolf than it would with George and Dick. Your advice as to mastering the English language, or at least expressing it in a manner that makes sense is certainly valid, though I doubt it will do much good.

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Bill Drew

08-29-2004 17:55:45




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 Re: OT - One for the fellas (serious) in reply to ShepFL, 08-28-2004 21:54:47  
Let them make mistakes - unless they are dangerous of course. Get out of their way as much as possible.



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Everett

08-29-2004 17:44:26




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 Re: OT - One for the fellas (serious) in reply to ShepFL, 08-28-2004 21:54:47  
I believe the song said " you have to stand for something or you will fall for anything"



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PaGlen

08-29-2004 17:27:13




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 Re: OT - One for the fellas (serious) in reply to ShepFL, 08-28-2004 21:54:47  
In my youth, I was a Cub Scout,Boy Scout and Explorer. A good quality to instill is 'Take
responsibility for your actions'.



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pasbon

08-29-2004 14:21:28




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 Re: OT - One for the fellas (serious) in reply to ShepFL, 08-28-2004 21:54:47  
I was in scouting also and learned a lot of beneficial thinigs to help me along in life, but the thing I remember was a little slip of paper that my dad gave to me when I turned 14. It said
" When I was 14, my old man was so ignorant that I could hardly stand to have the old man around. When I turned 21 I was astounded at how much the old man had learned in 7 years". I don"t know the author or where he got it, but i still renmember that 30+ years later. Scouting is also where I learned to cook, and I say I learned too good as now I am over 250 pounds from all the "suppers" that the "boys" have. good luck on your project and remember "BE PREPARED".

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Ryan-WI

08-29-2004 12:48:40




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 Re: OT - One for the fellas (serious) in reply to ShepFL, 08-28-2004 21:54:47  
Something that I have posted on the wall in my classroom: Someday you will look back and realize how stupid you acted in high school. Try to not disappoint yourself.



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T_Bone

08-29-2004 10:53:28




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 Re: OT - One for the fellas (serious) in reply to ShepFL, 08-28-2004 21:54:47  
Hi Shep,

About the only thing I can add is you have your "word".

If a man looses his word he has nothing left.

T_Bone



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thurlow

08-29-2004 08:17:58




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 Re: OT - One for the fellas (serious) in reply to ShepFL, 08-28-2004 21:54:47  
My Sunday newspaper includes the "Parade" magazine, which usually is filled with "entertainment/Hollywood fluff/drivel"; this morning's had an article on Joe Ehrmann....high school coach and former NFL player. Found it very interesting; it addresses the question(s) you have posed. Check it out on-line

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Paul in Mich

08-29-2004 07:59:15




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 Re: OT - One for the fellas (serious) in reply to ShepFL, 08-28-2004 21:54:47  
Shep, While many qualities go into the making of a man, one that stands out for me and one I've talked on in many settings (in and out of the lockerroom) is mental toughness. Not to be confused with meanness, or obstinacy, toughness allows a man to stand up for himself in a world full of opportunities as well as pitfalls. Toughness allows a man to make the difficult decisions, and toughness allows a man to make the right decision when it would be easier to make the popular decision. Toughness causes a man to do the right thing because it is the right thing to do. Toughness allows a man to stand up and face adversity, and persevere through that adversity. It also allows a man to attend his daughters T-ball game when the fish are biting. It makes a man work on his marriage when things don't always go right, even if it means listening to something his wife has to say when its 3rd and goal on the T.V.set. Many folks also confuse Toughness with determination, but mental toughness supercedes determination and desire since it is what keeps one focused on what he desires and why he is determined to meet that end. Toughness is also the ability to discern what is worthwhile and what is not. Many people put a lot of hard work and concentrated effort into projects or causes which arent necessarily worthwhile, and with great zeal. It takes a tough minded man to provide all the essentials that successful life requires, but it also takes a tough minded man to, without guilt or hesitation, show outward gentleness and compassion. Toughness is what makes a man establish and set worthwhile goals and standards, while he continuously strives to do and to be that which he will not allow rivers or oceans, speedbumps, hurdles, walls, or mountains to be a deterrent. Success is the steady realization of those worthwhile goals.

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Jimmy King

08-29-2004 07:19:05




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 Re: OT - One for the fellas (serious) in reply to ShepFL, 08-28-2004 21:54:47  
I am 62years old and I was a Boy Scout for a couple of years when I was a boy. In life I have always tried to be as honest as possable, When I screw up I always try to tell the people that need to know before, anyone finds out. I was taught early in life to be dependable, if I was to start at 8:00 be there at 7:45 etc. To put God and my family ahead of every thing else.



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KB

08-29-2004 05:35:31




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 Re: OT - One for the fellas (serious) in reply to ShepFL, 08-28-2004 21:54:47  
I have been a Scoutmaster (currently just an adult leader) and involved with Scouting since I was a kid. All the things mentioned in the other posts are correct answers and are things we should all strive for. I can tell from personal experience that the biggest impact is made by setting a good example for them to follow all the lecturing and Scoutmaster minuets just don"t compare in terms of results to setting a good example. I can not tell you how many former Scouts and Eagle Scouts have found me years later and told me how much that appreciated the time I spent with them. I am not their favorite leader because I will tell it exactly how it is, no sugar here, no political correctness, just the facts and some guidance. If isn"t right your gonna know it. I always viewed my role to be a leader to them not a friend. The two can not be intermixed. Some of the more mature Scouts will see this and appreciate it now but most don"t truely recognize what is going on until much later, hence the comments from them years later. Good luck, you have a very important job (don"t forget it when times get tough) in which the pay is like an investment because you generally do not get to see it for years if at all.

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ShepFL

08-29-2004 06:24:14




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 Re: OT - One for the fellas (serious) in reply to KB, 08-29-2004 05:35:31  
Hey KB -
Your approach and mine are very, very similar. A spade is a spade. I have only been doing this for about 4 yrs. I was going to rmv my sons as I seen very little benefit for them - at that time the troops was nothing but an ad-hoc grabass boys night out camping club.

As an adult leader at the time I spoke with the then current scoutmaster about my dissatification and lack of direction and lack of boy leadership training within the troop.

Needless to say he did not care for my comments. About a month later at a Committee mtg. he got pi$$ed, got up yanked off his uniform shirt and threw it at me proclaiming "if others think you can be such a good leader you got job".

That night I was voted to be the Scoutmaster. That was 2 yrs. ago. Our troop is now 17 boys strong with recruiting coming up. First yr. we lost a few boys because the grabass STOPPED IMMEDIATELY. Some have since come back as they recognize the value of how the troop is being run by the boys and being managed by me and the other adult leaders. The boys now have a sense of purpose with Scouts and know how to set a course of action. They now have fun - work hard, play hard.

But that first yr. - whew !! The troop learned what is like to

a) camp without tent stakes as they were forgotten

b) have only 1 dz. eggs for a 3-day campout breakfasts with 10 boys

c) not clean pots and pans only to find that same messy gear reappear at the next campout as the ONLY cookgear

d) that sass mouth or threats will land your butt in camp all weekend plus give you time for reflection as you will be dismissed from next campout until written behavior action plan complete with apology is received.

It has been rewarding and I just want to keep it real, keep it honest and work hard, play hard.

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KB

08-29-2004 17:26:25




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 Re: OT - One for the fellas (serious) in reply to ShepFL, 08-29-2004 06:24:14  
Aw, yes those are the days. I remember standing in the parking lot Friday night to get ready for a camping trip. I calmly asked is everything packed and ready to go? I knew I didn"t see any food go by. I got the responce that we were ready to go and that the boy buying the food would bring it with him to camp when he arived at 11am. OK, I said since I had learned years ago to carry a pop tart and cup of instant soup with me for this and other various occasions. As we are loading up in the cars one of the "little guys" speaks up and asked the next obvious question if we are eating breakfast at 8am and the food arrives at 11am what exactly are we eating? Darn near peed my pants as the light went off and panic and muntiny set in. Let a couple of the older ones panic a min. and then asked what should we do to solve the problem and everything worked out OK. That group of kids never forgot their food after that and it still comes up 10 years later as this story has been past down by the Scouts over the years.

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Devin

08-29-2004 05:32:07




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 Re: OT - One for the fellas (serious) in reply to ShepFL, 08-28-2004 21:54:47  
Shep, You have got some great responses, so here goes mine.

Be honest in word and deed.
Think before you speak or act and ask yourself how your response will be viewed a week, month or year from now.

Be kind to everyone and have compassion on those weaker than you.

Realize that time is our most precious gift and we should use it wisely.
Help those that you are in a position to help.

Engrain in your mind that life is a marathon not a sprint.

Work hard and set a good example for others.

If in doubt about something pray about it until you get it cleared up.

If in doubt about any situation with regard to you actions aske yourself how Jesus would handle the same situation.

Good luck,
Devin

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Dick2

08-29-2004 04:56:56




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 Re: OT - One for the fellas (serious) in reply to ShepFL, 08-28-2004 21:54:47  
Honesty: I know that I lost some business deals because I would only do deals that were honest and above board. However, after people learned of my policy, business steadily grew and turned into a success.

High moral values: Again, those may have hurt me sometimes in business deals, but I slept well at nights and still do. I can hold my head up with honor. I am retired now, but still held in respect by my former peers and business associates.

MONEY: After nearly 70 years of living, money is nice to have, but it is NOT the most important element to a satisfactory life. Your sense of values, self-esteem, and respect will give your much satisfaction.

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KURT (mi)

08-29-2004 04:49:30




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 Re: OT - One for the fellas (serious) in reply to ShepFL, 08-28-2004 21:54:47  
Be honest have integrity work hard fear God, shun evil Love your country dont drink Alcohol Know when to shut up, because you dont learn any thing by talking. Dont gossip follow the ten commandments dont lose your virginity until your 18, or married. (and for God sakes dont lose your virginity to a prostitute) Act like Jesus is standing right beside you always. Be pro-life and pro-gun. Obey your parents And last--eat your vegetables.

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Sid

08-29-2004 08:33:48




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 Re: OT - One for the fellas (serious) in reply to KURT (mi), 08-29-2004 04:49:30  
I could not help but notice you gave a lot of good advice. But I am confused, you suggest one follow the Ten Comandments, then you suggest it is OK to break them at the magical age of eighteen. You mention living as if Jesus is standing right beside you always. I have to strongly disagree with this particular statement. It seems to sugest that it is OK with Jesus that we can break this one because we are eighteen and if it is OK to break this one then it must be OK to break the others too.

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Kurt

08-30-2004 01:45:34




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 Re: OT - One for the fellas (serious) in reply to Sid, 08-29-2004 08:33:48  
yeah, your right just because I lost my virginity at 18 doesnt mean my son should too, he is 3 years old now. I think I would be ticked to find out he was getting laid at 18 nad not be married....but I cant control his whole life for him.



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Sid

08-28-2004 23:19:04




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 Re: OT - One for the fellas (serious) in reply to ShepFL, 08-28-2004 21:54:47  
One who submitts himself to God will find God"s strenght. He will be gentle because he has the strenght to be so. He will have strenght to stand for right. A true man does not have to bluster and bluff, that is a sign of weakness. A true man will do right even when no one is watching, because he knows it is right. A true man will accept the responsibility of his mistakes and make every effort to make them right. I quess it is a good thing I am not a scout leader caue I would expose them to a lot of stuff that isn"t potically correct.

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NC Wayne

08-28-2004 23:04:12




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 Re: OT - One for the fellas (serious) in reply to ShepFL, 08-28-2004 21:54:47  
I think one of the finest qualities a man can posses is honesty. I"m more likely to respect an honest drunk than I am a hard working, bald faced lier. Following in a close second, if not tied for first, is a man that isn"t afraid to be a hard worker. Too many nowdays think that the world is owed to them and that it should be given to them on a silver plater. It was hard work that made this country great and it"s the dying of that work ethic that is killing it slowely. It"s time we did something to bring the work ethic back. Next tell them to take responsibility for their actions and "be a man" and face up to the consequenses of those actions. This has partly to do with being honest and being responsible for yor actions, but for the older ones it can go beyond that also. I know it"s not really an issue with the younger kids as it will be with the older teenagers, but too many of them nowdays are becoming "fathers" themselves. I put that in quotes because their is a big difference in being a true father and simply being a biological father. This is a reason unto itself for all of us out there to be supportive of the coming generations and to show them by example how real men handle themselves. Eventually the task of doing this is gonna rest on their shoulders, if it already isn"t, and their gonna need all the guidence and support they can get..... ...We all know there"s alot to "being a real man" and no one thing is really gonna make you or break you. The main thing is to live a good life, follow the Golden Rule, and above all to DO YOUR BEST....Nobody is ever gonna fault you for doing your best.... Those are my thoughts, what about the rest of ya"ll.....

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buickanddeere

08-30-2004 05:59:14




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 Re: OT - One for the fellas (serious) in reply to NC Wayne, 08-28-2004 23:04:12  
Should clarify and say work hard and work smart. My Grand Father was one of the hardest workers I have ever seen or heard of. Couldn't manage his money or make a deal that profited on. Hard worker or not he didn't get a any respect for always nearly being broke. When he died all he had was some gov't pension. And the house his son's had bought him 30 years ago when they took over the farm. Not much to show for 60 years of blood sweat and tears.

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buickanddeere

08-30-2004 05:59:14




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 Re: OT - One for the fellas (serious) in reply to NC Wayne, 08-28-2004 23:04:12  
Should clarify and say work hard and work smart. My Grand Father was one of the hardest workers I have ever seen or heard of. Couldn't manage his money or make a deal that profited on. Hard worker or not he didn't get a any respect for always nearly being broke. When he died all he had was some gov't pension. And the house his son's had bought him 30 years ago when they took over the farm. Not much to show for 60 years of blood sweat and tears.

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MG

08-28-2004 23:50:45




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 Re: OT - One for the fellas (serious) in reply to NC Wayne, 08-28-2004 23:04:12  
Do what you say you are going to do and be responsible for your actions. Tell the truth and if you are wrong about something admit it to those involved and make things right. Treat those that are weaker than you with loving kindness and compassion. Raise your children to judge a man not by what he looks like or what he says but rather by what he does.. Help one another and when we meet on the street, take just a moment to realize that we are all just doing the best we can at that particular moment, then the moment becomes graceful and we become surrounded by God.

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2x4

08-28-2004 22:09:35




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 Re: OT - One for the fellas (serious) in reply to ShepFL, 08-28-2004 21:54:47  
I think a man is defined when he realizes he can make it on his own.



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Pitch

08-29-2004 03:28:15




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 Re: OT - One for the fellas (serious) in reply to 2x4, 08-28-2004 22:09:35  
Honesty
Perserverance
Responsibility
The ability to admit to your mistakes



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