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Gary in Mozarks

08-11-2004 19:49:31




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Help me out here, Im looking at buying our first round bailer. (old beat cheap) Can anyone give me a ballpark idea of what it costs to replace belts on a Vemeere 605g? Also pros and cons between that one and a NH 850 electric tie. (couple hundered dollars cheaper). THanks




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James in NC

08-12-2004 05:36:28




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 Re: Baler questions. in reply to Gary in Mozarks, 08-11-2004 19:49:31  
For a quality set of belts on a 605G it is going to be around $900. Belts can last up to 20 years. The NH is a chain type baler and the G will out perform it and for a few $ more it is the better by. The G is an open throut baler and is newer than the 850.



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txblu

08-12-2004 06:12:29




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 Re: Baler questions. in reply to James in NC, 08-12-2004 05:36:28  
Go to a search engine and search for Excelsior or Excaliber (forget which) industrial belting. Have belts for round balers too. Have different styles and plies.

Have been most happy with their Chevron pattern, in 3 ply with what they call the Alligator clips. They are riveted into the belt and are extremely sturdy. Since clips are what usually renders a belt useless, I felt this added $18 was well worth the price.

My belts are 40' long (5x6 baler) and 5" wide. That belt is around $150. They UPS them right to your door.

Mark

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Gary in Mozarks

08-12-2004 06:51:49




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 Re: Baler questions. in reply to txblu, 08-12-2004 06:12:29  
Thanks Blu, I think I found it Ex-Cel industrial belting in St Louis Mo. Neat site.



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txblu

08-12-2004 08:15:54




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 Re: Baler questions. in reply to Gary in Mozarks , 08-12-2004 06:51:49  
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James in NC

08-12-2004 07:50:45




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 Re: Baler questions. in reply to Gary in Mozarks , 08-12-2004 06:51:49  
Gary, For Vermeer balers you will not need the traction style belts, smooth belts will perform better with theese baler and also cost less. We get all of our belting for AG Belt, good service and quality. Becareful with cheaper belts they can cause you some headaches later on.



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txblu

08-12-2004 08:21:57




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 Re: Baler questions. in reply to James in NC, 08-12-2004 07:50:45  
Interesting comment. I bought this baler a couple of years ago and guess it is an '85 model. I'm sure the belting was original.

Belt was the mini-roughtop which is pretty abrasive (not as good as chevron) and was worn to the point where it was smooth.

I bale sudan sorghum cross hay. It is stemmy and gets to 5 or so ft. Was having a bear of a time getting the roll to start; once started things were fine.

Decided that my belts were slipping over the stemmy stuff and not grabbing it. Hence the decision to go for the chevron belt. Best thing I ever did. I can whack a windrow now with no critical attack parameters and not even look back cause I know the roll has started (but I do anyway). Fast, slow, side, center, large/small windrow, stemmy, fluffy, dry, doesn't matter any more.

Mark

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James in NC

08-12-2004 08:33:26




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 Re: Baler questions. in reply to txblu, 08-12-2004 08:21:57  
What kind of baler to you have?



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txblu

08-12-2004 09:33:58




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 Re: Baler questions. in reply to James in NC, 08-12-2004 08:33:26  
Hesston Rounder Model 5580. Have the optional 3rd spring which puts me (in ideal conditions) at the 2000# mark on the 5x6.

Nothing special about it. I was square baling and brousing the local rag sheet when I saw a round baler for sale for $2500. I never heard of a baler for sale that cheap so I investigated. Sure nuf. Couldn't believe that I could now do my own rolls. WOW.

It's all manual but that's ok for me and since I am not a custom baler and doing this as a hobby, time is not my prime consideration...price and my ability to fix problems inexpensively are.

Mark

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paul

08-12-2004 17:35:37




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 Re: Baler questions. in reply to txblu, 08-12-2004 09:33:58  
Vermeer balers are designed differently, they have a big spinning drum that starts & supports the bale. Many other round balers have a bottom belt, other devices. Vermeer generally works fine with smooth belting, other models can benifit from a more agressive and spendier belting.

No need to waste the money on a Vermeer baler, go with the smooth belting.

--->Paul



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txblu

08-13-2004 06:19:43




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 Re: Baler questions. in reply to paul, 08-12-2004 17:35:37  
My baler has 8 belts covering a 60" window. They are continuous and run on about 8 rollers scattered around the chamber. At the upper end of the throat is a roller that is square, like a paddle wheel.

At the entrance to the chamber, the belts run opposite to oneanother in opposite directions. The only way the bale can start is to get squeezed between these opposite rotating belts. The paddle wheel helps this occur. Friction, as I've learned, between the belt and crop are essential. The springs keep tension on the belts as they expand with the chamber filling. The more spring pressure, the more dense the bale and of course the heavier.

Go and ask someone who has what you want to buy and listen to what they have to say.

Good luck,

Mark

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James in NC

08-12-2004 12:35:37




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 Re: Baler questions. in reply to txblu, 08-12-2004 09:33:58  
The Hesston might have come with the rough belts. I am not very familar with that baler.



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