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Elevator rejected my wheat ????

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tremayne

08-05-2004 18:05:58




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took my dad's wheat to the elevator & they rejected it because it had too much "garlic" ( some kind of wild onion). I had 552 "garlic seeds" / 1000 grams of sample. yes, they counted each one. the cut off is 10 seeds. the "garlic" seeds look like wheat except for the color and they smell like garlic. i don't think you could seperate the two. I have plowed the field and have noticed a onion type smell sometimes. use to have roundup beans there. What is this weed? how do you get rid of it? any ideas about a truckload of skunked wheat? no local elevators want it. I am in NW Indiana.

thanks tremayne hadenfelt

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tremayne

08-07-2004 08:14:02




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 Re: Elevator rejected my wheat ???? in reply to tremayne, 08-05-2004 18:05:58  
thanks for the info. did not want to stir the pot about who can screw who & morality issues. just asking what the proper name for wild onion is and what chemical and procedure to get rid of it. not gonna take it back to cargill, probably dump it. sucks but not much choice. what would it do to lactating cows? only reason we planted it was we don;t have planter, corn head, or storage system yet for corn. put 5-6 years of beans in and yields were dropping and we started getting nervous about diseases attacking the beans.

tremayne

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Bill in Ohio

08-06-2004 20:11:43




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 Re: Elevator rejected my wheat ???? in reply to tremayne, 08-05-2004 18:05:58  
An old friend of mine worked in a big grain terminal. He told me there was a chemical that could be used to kill the smell of garlics, but they never used that, all the garlicy wheat was put in one bin and the fans were run until it dried up. And then they shipped it, never had a reject! Just a big profit!
Of course, it probably wasnt that much garlic either.



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bh

08-06-2004 05:57:25




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 Re: Elevator rejected my wheat ???? in reply to tremayne, 08-05-2004 18:05:58  
This is a problem that you must deal with either in the fall or the spring. We use Harmony Extra in the spring on our winter wheat here in West TN. We spray every acre and don't take any chances. I have heard that you can put garlic wheat in the bin and the garlic seeds will dry up and fall out over a period of time. That's what I would try if it was mine. Better than dumping it on the ground or selling for feed in my opinion. I have had this problem before but not as bad as yours. Mine resulted in a sickening dock at the elevator though. One time taught me a good lesson.

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txblu

08-06-2004 05:57:14




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 Re: Elevator rejected my wheat ???? in reply to tremayne, 08-05-2004 18:05:58  
We get wild onions some times and if you have a lactating cow, you're in for a treat.

Mark



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Tim(nj)

08-05-2004 21:36:36




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 Re: Elevator rejected my wheat ???? in reply to tremayne, 08-05-2004 18:05:58  
We"ve got it all over here, especially in no-till bean ground. Glyphosate has trouble with it. If it is a problem in wheat or oats, a trip over the field in the spring with 2,4D or Banvel is needed.



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Chris Brown

08-05-2004 19:31:18




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 Re: Elevator rejected my wheat ???? in reply to tremayne, 08-05-2004 18:05:58  
Stir it up and some will settle. Then take it to a different elevator,or even take it back to the same elevator a few days later,make sure someone else is working other than the one who was there the first time.. I had some kicked back in the spring and I took it to the other side of town and they bought it no problem. It is worth a try.



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MIke (WA)

08-06-2004 08:21:07




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 Re: Elevator rejected my wheat ???? in reply to Chris Brown, 08-05-2004 19:31:18  
What a great idea! Now, you can pollute a whole elevator full! Maybe get the whole thing rejected by the elevator's customers! Nice to see we have a bona fide member of the "ME" generation here on the board. Sounds like your mama never told you about the "Golden Rule".



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Shane

08-06-2004 15:07:20




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 Re: Elevator rejected my wheat ???? in reply to MIke (WA), 08-06-2004 08:21:07  
We had an elevator call us several years ago because they were in desperate need for some soybeans, told us they didn't care what the dock would be but they wouldn't dock us anything. Another local elevator will ignore a load here and there of bad or wet or whatever grain because they can blend it with the other thousands of bushels coming in every day... do it to keep your business.



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G-MAN

08-06-2004 15:31:38




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 Re: Elevator rejected my wheat ???? in reply to Shane, 08-06-2004 15:07:20  
There's a difference between blending grain that's a little too wet and accepting grain with way too much foreign material. Blending wet grain with dry grain eliminates the problem. Blending contaminated grain with clean grain doesn't solve anything. It also has to do with the available supply of grain. When they have plenty, they can be picky. But I think anyone would agree that anytime you're bringing in grain with 50 times the allowable limit of some FM, they're well within their rights to deny it. If you had a perfectly clean sample that you worked darn hard to grow and bring in would you want someone bringing in trash to get the same treatment?

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G-MAN - excuse me...

08-06-2004 15:33:27




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 Re: Elevator rejected my wheat ???? in reply to G-MAN, 08-06-2004 15:31:38  
Excuse me, 55 times the allowable limits. Don't get me wrong, I feel for the guy. It's just that sometimes you have to play by the rules and take the consequences. Like was said, he'll know what to do to prevent that next year.



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G-MAN

08-06-2004 10:43:58




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 Re: Elevator rejected my wheat ???? in reply to MIke (WA), 08-06-2004 08:21:07  
No doubt. Nothing like trying to screw people you do business with, and if they catch him the second time through, they'll really be p.o.ed. If the content was 20 or 30 instead of 552, they'd probably let it slide anyway. Get caught again and they might refuse him for 11 the next time.



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John Ne.

08-06-2004 10:18:44




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 Re: Elevator rejected my wheat ???? in reply to MIke (WA), 08-06-2004 08:21:07  
Me generation? sounds like a guy trying to keep head above water, if the elevator tests it and accepts it, isn"t it their testing problem? am sure it wouldn"t be the only load they accept. Years ago got a load of oats rejected, too much of a certain grass seed, down at the other end of the counter they were selling a guy seed oats, that was dollars higher because it had a grass seed in it, same grass as ours.

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G-MAN

08-06-2004 10:45:05




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 Re: Elevator rejected my wheat ???? in reply to John Ne., 08-06-2004 10:18:44  
What about the elevator trying to keep it's head above water and protect the quality of product it accepts and ships? Screw the big guy, right? Of course, it's probably a coop and he's just screwing himself and his fellow farmers anyway...



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john d

08-06-2004 18:26:32




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 Re: Elevator rejected my wheat ???? in reply to G-MAN, 08-06-2004 10:45:05  
G-MAN, you are right on target in this series of posts. We used to run an on-farm grain business and dealt with surrounding farmers at harvest time. There is a BIG difference between docking a load for moisture and docking it for foreign material. Sure, you're gonna have guys complain when the moisture content is higher than they think it should be, and probing a load in one spot is a crap-shoot for accuracy of any kind. Blending grain of different moisture contents is accepted industry (and farm) practice. Selling grain that contains foreign matter and disguising that fact is dishonest.

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joe in ilinois

08-05-2004 18:44:23




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 Re: Elevator rejected my wheat ???? in reply to tremayne, 08-05-2004 18:05:58  
can't believe you have never heard of garlic in wheat before. you can spray for it in the spring. if i were you i would look for a hog farmer to sell it to for feed. years ago when i hauled grain the joke was that is what they make garlic bread from.. mills such as pilsbury would not accept it. joe



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