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TRACTOR PULLING PART 3: THE RETURN OF THE WEASEL!

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Clint

08-03-2004 18:49:17




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SINCE I'VE BEEN BRANDED I'LL CONFESS, I AM NO WEASEL. JUST A WOLF IN WEASEL SKINS. LOL!

BUT SERIOUSLY, YOU ALL HAVE LOST VIEW OF MY ORIGINAL STATEMENT.

I HAVE NO PERSONAL PROBLEM WITH REDMAN OR ANYONE WHO VOICED AND OPINION. I WAS MERELY COMMENTING ON HOW TRACTOR PULLING HAS GOTTEN WARPED BY SOME PEOPLE. SURE, I'VE KNOWN PEOPLE TO PUT SUPER M PISTONS IN A M, AND PEOPLE THAT'VE GONE UP 2 TIRE SIZES TO GET MORE TRACTION. MY POINT IS WHEN YOU START DOING WHAT EVER IT TAKES LIKE POWERBLOCKS, PLAINED HEADS, AND 18.9x34" TIRES TO WIN YOU LOOSE SIGHT OF THE GOOD TIME.

PEACE, CHILL OUT, HAVE FUN, AND GO YANKEES!!!!!

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Paul in Mich

08-04-2004 07:45:33




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 Re: TRACTOR PULLING PART 3: THE RETURN OF THE WEAS in reply to Clint, 08-03-2004 18:49:17  
Folks, I've been following this discussion, and most of you have legitimate arguments, even if you don't agree. I've seen auto racing go from 34 ford coups racing against 38 hudson terraplanes, to Viagra Ford vs Budweiser Chevy. I've seen Drag racing go from 6 cyl Plymouths vs 6 cyl Nashes to what it is today. Whatever the sport is, be it motor sports or team sports, the evolutionary transformation over the last 50 years has been phenominal. What started out as 2 farmers arguing over which tractor had the most power, Bill's John Deere A, or Bob's Farmall M, and settling it by hooking a 20 ft chain drawbar to drawbar and whoever pulls the other guy over a crude, heel scribed line wins, has evolved to what it has become today. This evolution started because whoever lost that first pull between Bill and Bob, decided that he'd get even next time, and did a little tinkering to give him that little extra edge. Well, we've had 50 years of tinkering, and I'm sure there's more tinkering to do. Yes, and I agree with IDF that it doesnt make sense to some of us that someone will take a $2000. tractor, and spend $5,000 so he will end up with a $1,500 tractor, but if thats what floats his canoe, then who are we to stop it. Having said all this, there has to be a venue where folks who like to pull their stock farm tractors can pull against other stock farm tractors, and not have to compete with the super stocks and modifieds. I also believe that it is up to the organizers of these pulls to establish parameters, set rules (fair rules), and schedule the pulling classes so that it doesnt become boring or that they run the giants first and then everything from that point becomes anticlimatic. (yes I've seen that). They have scales to monitor and audit the weight, but most of the pulls do not have dynometers to audit horsepower. I think that for stock tractors, that both weight and horsepower should be classified with parameters in each class. Even those pulls without a dynometer, it doesn't take rocket science to spot a tractor that is enhanced beyond normal guidelines when it outpulls the other tractors in its class by a large margain. At this point the organizers can have a challenge clause by which either the organizers can order a teardown, or a participant in that class can order a teardown. If the winner is legal, then its on the challengers dime, but if he is illegal, its on his dime. That process also works with dyno's. A tractor is only dyno'd if challenged, and loser pays a predetermined amount depending what the prize money is. This actually adds to the suspense and mystery (is he legal or isn't he....For $20.00, we'll find out). I think people have to pick and choose which pulls they decide to participate in, as some of them are so ill structured that nobody in their right mind would want to be part of such a donnybrook, but there are some very well structured pulls with fair but stringent rules (cheaters hate these), that make it a fun experience. Personally, I don't mind attending and watching pulls, especially good, well organized pulls as a spectator, but what I prefer, in addition to showing my tractors is attending "plow days" events where I can work my tractor the way it was initially intended. In the fall, its mostly fall plowing only, but in the spring, its plowing, disking, chisel plowing, so whatever a person wants to hook his tractor to, works. We have a lot of fun, and some of the guys get their 40 acres of ground tilled for free. There are no trophys or prizes, but a pot-luck usually more than compensates. And the conversation and fellowship is priceless. I suggest that for all you folks who are disgusted and disenchanted with what has happened in pulling to consider organizing plow and till clubs, and imagine the possibilities. All it takes is a few acres, and organizing. Oh yes, in the summer, there are cultivating events, but it isnt easy to plan for or schedule, and the set-up is as challenging as cultivating itself. This thing can also include Threshing for those with antique combines. The possibilities are endless. I guess my point is that pulling isnt the be all end all of tractor antique tractor activity, and we don't have to compete with the "Pros" or cheaters to have a good time and enjoy our old iron. Even with pulls, there are ways around the pros and cheaters (not one and the same), but we can pick and choose, and if we dont attend some of the pulls because they are slopply ran, then the organizers will begin to get the message and make it an event that we can all compete fairly. They won't do it though if we continue to go, pay our entry fee, and just complain. Its only when their participants dwindle will it get better.

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Flyin Farmall

08-04-2004 19:45:32




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 Re: TRACTOR PULLING PART 3: THE RETURN OF THE WEAS in reply to Paul in Mich, 08-04-2004 07:45:33  
Paul,
That is excactely the kind of pull we run in Wisconsin.Symco Pullers Association.Sept.11.There is PURE stock,improved,Modifieds,Farm STOCK,and hot farm.We Dyno the tractors,inspect for safety,the whole she-bang!If your tractor does not have a fair chance here,it will no where.The people who are complaining about"butchering perfectely good tractors"should have seen mine,we dragged it out of a woods,parts tractor at best.This tractor never would have run again.Look at the prices pullin tractors are brining lately? A little more than spray-bomb resto's.If you have to pull stock tractors against hot tractors,you are attending the wrong pulls.

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dhermesc

08-04-2004 07:11:50




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 I am offended!!!!!!! in reply to Clint, 08-03-2004 18:49:17  
Even posting the word "Yankees" should get you banned!!!!! !!!!! !!!1



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JC in ky

08-04-2004 06:00:45




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 Re: TRACTOR PULLING PART 3: THE RETURN OF THE WEAS in reply to Clint, 08-03-2004 18:49:17  
Yea there are a few guys around here that have fixed up a few hot tractors to pull and it seems like every time you turn around they are tearing them down an redoing them. To me thats a lot of money to invest in somthing like that. our local track has sanconed out there last two pulls and there have onky been 3 or 4 tractors show. Every thing else was trucks. I loaded up five of my best FARM TRACTORS and went to hodgenesville, KY last week to a farm stock pull they were putting on. They had classes from 5500 to 20,000lbs I took a 1066 IH,no cab and run in the 20,000 lb class and won. They were giving away 500 bucks for 1st and a trophy that I get to keep for a year. I have to either go back and win it again next year or give up my King of the Hill Title. I enjoy goin to the farm pulls more that to a hot farm pull. Well thats my 2 cents JC

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Indydirtfarmer

08-04-2004 11:17:28




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 Re: TRACTOR PULLING PART 3: THE RETURN OF THE WEAS in reply to JC in ky, 08-04-2004 06:00:45  
I would have gladly towed down to Hodgensville for that one. I have a couple tractors that I want to pull. I can't even find a farm stock class in my neck of the woods anymore. Both tractors are late 70's vintage. that kills my chances around here. They only pull pre-60's stuff, or BIG stuff. I have one tractor that would fit the 5500 LB class REAL nice. No powerhouse, just a good pulling tractor at that wieght, If you here of anymore pulls in that area, post them on here please. John

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JC in ky

08-04-2004 15:52:41




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 Re: TRACTOR PULLING PART 3: THE RETURN OF THE WEAS in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 08-04-2004 11:17:28  
No Problem. Ill be glad to JC



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Dave in GA

08-04-2004 05:35:18




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 Re: TRACTOR PULLING PART 3: THE RETURN OF THE WEAS in reply to Clint, 08-03-2004 18:49:17  
Personally, I much more appreciate seeing ( or driving) an old tractor pulling a plow or cultivator through a field, doing what it was designed to do. Seeing a tractor pulling a sled down a manicured track doesn't really show me what a tractor can do. Also, the competitiveness of tractor pulling somehow clashes with the spirit of cooperativeness that farmers have always demonstrated.

But to each his own.

I used to go to the Washtenaw County (Michigan) Fair tractor pulls as a tractor-pull-loving teen and saw a domineering modified beast blow its army tank engine and send shrapnel into the stands. Quite a few people got hurt, and a few may have gotten killed. I don't remember the details since it was about 30 years ago, and haven't been to a pull since then, until April 2004, when I took my young sons to the Carrollton, GA tractor show and pull. They loved it and were glued to the bleachers all afternoon. The pullers were mostly old iron, including a rusty, unrestored Case C and a rough-looking Case CC that also appeared to be just retrieved from the scrap yard. To me, they were the highlight of the pull, and they did better than most of the newer, shiny machines. The kids are already looking forward to returning next year.

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Indydirtfarmer

08-04-2004 03:22:43




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 Re: TRACTOR PULLING PART 3: THE RETURN OF THE WEAS in reply to Clint, 08-03-2004 18:49:17  
I can't just walk away from this one..... . I don't have a thing against some people taking a perfectly good tractor and butchering it, so they can have them a "pullin' tractor". Whatever floats yer boat. I DO see the "crime" in not having a "PURE FARN STOCK" pull every now and then. Those of us that actually USE tractors for their intended use, would like to have OUR day in the sun every once and a while. When our county fair held it's tractor pull this past week, there wasn't but 4 or 5 guys pulling that uctually farm for a living. Maybe 5 more that grew up on a farm. And that's OK. If they want to hold a "Yuppie Tractor Pull Association" sanctioned pull, go right ahead. Just count me out. BUT...When it comes down to it, these boys couldn't get a days work out of their tractors if their lives depended on it. As far as the "competitive" end of the arguement, the competition is to see who can spend the most money, or bend the rules the farthest. I have no interest in playing that "game". If all these folks that insist on spending all their income on a $2000 tractor, just to have another "wanna-be" change the rules to make THEIR tractor "KING OF THE HILL", want to play that game, go right ahead. That's not "technology", that's not "competition", it's just a waste of time/energy/money. And when it gets right down to it, most of these guys couldn't compete on a "level playing field" where we use "stock tractors". Now let your testosterone get you all cranked up, and tell me how wrong I am..... BOYS. John

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Redman

08-04-2004 13:47:04




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 Re: TRACTOR PULLING PART 3: THE RETURN OF THE WEAS in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 08-04-2004 03:22:43  
who ever limited it to antiques?i just finished building a pulling tractor that has a extra 2 zeros on the end of it.
i have also built a tractor for under 15K that puts out over 1000 hp and blows smoke.
on the other hand i don't farm with this tractor as it is a pull only tractor,but our farm tractor also make a pull every now and then.
also the farm tractors get the drawbar switched and a bath,other than that they are field ready.

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Leland(wife)

08-04-2004 19:42:42




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 Re: TRACTOR PULLING PART 3: THE RETURN OF THE WEAS in reply to Redman, 08-04-2004 13:47:04  
Dear Mr. Redman,

I am so proud of you!! I was reading over my husband's shoulder this evening and read some of your postings. You spelled everything correctly. Way to go!! I thought you said you couldn't spell. You know more than you think, don't you. You are a smart feller, you should give yourself more credit. If I had your address I would mail you a big gold star to put on your tractor hood.
Leland's wife

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Redman

08-05-2004 04:43:42




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 Re: TRACTOR PULLING PART 3: THE RETURN OF THE WEAS in reply to Leland(wife), 08-04-2004 19:42:42  
works better if i slow down a bunch!
my wife is a office manager and i try yo keep up with her when i type,some of the words don't come out right is all.



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JIM

08-04-2004 07:58:56




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 Re: TRACTOR PULLING PART 3: THE RETURN OF THE WEAS in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 08-04-2004 03:22:43  
SOUNDS LIKE ITS TIME FOR YOU TO ORGANIZE A PURE FARM PULL.BUT IF THE PULL ONLY HAS 4 OR 5 TRACTORS IT IS NOT GOING TO BE VERY GOOD.MAYBE YOU HAVE TRYED.WE HAVE THE SAME TROUBLE GETTING TRACTORS TO PULL IN THE CLASS THEY SHOULD BE IN AS WELL.IF THE TECH GUY IS GOOD AND HAS THE SUPPORT OF THE PROMOTER IT DOES GO FAIRLY SMOOTH.FAIRS AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS ARE GOING TO DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO SELL THE SHOW.SO LET YOUR FEELINGS BE HEARD,AND SEE WHERE THE BALL DROPS.IF YOUR NOT ALONE IN YOUR QUEST YOU WILL QUICKLY GAIN SUPPORT.REMEMBER THE THOUSANDS SOME SPEND ON THEIR STUFF KEEPS ALOT OF BUSINESS'S GOING.AND LASTLY THE HOT ONES DO DRAW A CROWD.YOU ARE ENTITLED TO YOUR OPINIONS AS EVERY ONE ELSE IS .NO DISRESPECT MEANT .JIM

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Rusty Rims

08-04-2004 07:21:52




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 Re: TRACTOR PULLING PART 3: THE RETURN OF THE WEAS in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 08-04-2004 03:22:43  
Unbelievable--So just farmers can have a tractor--thats a good way to see a whole lot of great machinery get sent to the scrap yard. Go ahead Plow, disk, plant, bale and everything else. If you want a pure stock farm pull put one on they'll come. If some of us want to spend our money so be it we'll pull somewhere else.



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Augie

08-04-2004 06:45:31




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 Re: TRACTOR PULLING PART 3: THE RETURN OF THE WEAS in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 08-04-2004 03:22:43  
If you think it's such a "crime" not have a "pure farm stock" pull once in a while quit crying about it and promote a pure farm stock pull.

Why do you have a bone in your rear about folks who pull hot tractors?

I'm sure it's not your intent, but you're coming across as an old grouch who can't stand to see other folks having fun.



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Indydirtfarmer

08-04-2004 07:07:40




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 Re: TRACTOR PULLING PART 3: THE RETURN OF THE WEAS in reply to Augie, 08-04-2004 06:45:31  
All I can say is I'm not the only one that wants a pull like we used to have. I have no problem whatsoever with anyone else doing whatever they want. If you read my reply on Tractor Tales, you'll see that I'm merely objecting to our being shoved off of the fairgrounds by someone with a LOT of expendable cash, who wanted to run the pulls HIS way, so HE could dominate. he basically "bought" control of the fair board. Not sure why YOU can't understand why someone wouldn't want to give up what the enjoy, because someone with an unlimited bank account wanted to take it away. John

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Augie

08-04-2004 09:28:23




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 Re: TRACTOR PULLING PART 3: THE RETURN OF THE WEAS in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 08-04-2004 07:07:40  
I understand completely. You might oughta look at that thread on Tales again.



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Paul in Mich

08-04-2004 08:11:05




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 Re: TRACTOR PULLING PART 3: THE RETURN OF THE WEAS in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 08-04-2004 07:07:40  
IDF, In my other post, I didn't address this issue as I was getting long winded, but You're right, as it pertains to county fairs. My belief is that the fair board and organizers should organize so that whatever event they put on does not discourage local participants. When they become hijacked by the "Big boys" from out of town at the expense of local folks, then that event has gotton out of hand. In tractor pulling, there is room for both at the same fair, but not at the same time, and no against eachother. They wouldnt schedule horse race at the same time at the grandstand track as they would an auto race, so why schedule an Antique stock tractor pull at the same time and against the modifieds, and pro's. Thats not competition, its like shooting fish in a barrel, as the competition only begins when the souped up tractors compete with eachother. As I alluded to in my previous response, the organizers are in charge of putting on an event that is entertaining yet fair to everyone. If we don't like the way the out of towners with deep pockets are al,lowed to hijack our local county fairs, then we must put pressure on the event organizers, attend their meetings and have our concerns entered into the minutes. Let them know that we can help make their (our) County fair more successful by encouraging our participation as opposed to discouraging it. Griping among ourselves won't have any effect on those who have the power to do something positive to improve the situation, its only when we voice our concerns to the right people will positive change take place. It then that we also learn whether we're important enough for them to create a place for us or whether pandering to the Big boys is their real agenda.

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buickanddeere

08-04-2004 04:54:50




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 Re: TRACTOR PULLING PART 3: THE RETURN OF THE WEAS in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 08-04-2004 03:22:43  
Hm, lets see.

"Yuppie Tractor Pull Association
but 4 or 5 guys pulling that uctually farm for a living
Maybe 5 more that grew up on a farm.
, these boys couldn't get a days work out of their tractors
most of these guys couldn't compete on a "level playing field" where we use "stock tractors"

I see some real jealously about class, income and status.

By the way, didn't the civil end in the 1800's? There are some of you still fighting Yankees in 2004. Just enforce the rules. Stock class is factory stock. I prefer "stock" myself.

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Indydirtfarmer

08-04-2004 05:17:36




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 Re: TRACTOR PULLING PART 3: THE RETURN OF THE WEAS in reply to buickanddeere, 08-04-2004 04:54:50  
Hmmmmm . Let's see. YOU DON'T HAVE A CLUE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. No jealousy in any way shape or form..... As far as class, I don't see any signs of that coming from YOU Income..... Both my wife and I have jobs in the upper income level. I OWN a little over 1200 acres, and farm them all. I have made several GREAT investments, and buy and sell used farm equipment. My "income" is about 7 times the "national average". No jealousy there either, pal. Status, That's a phrase used by folks that DON'T have any..... ..... YANKEE..... SOUTHERNER..... .HAAAAA ! I'm from north of the Mason Dixon Line myself. (Makes me one of those YANKEE's, right?) I just hate seeing fine American traditions ruined. Thanks for adding MORE validity to my arguement about NO-NOTHING YUPPIES in places they don't belong. John

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Indydirtfarmer

08-04-2004 09:50:38




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 Re: TRACTOR PULLING PART 3: THE RETURN OF THE WEAS in reply to Stan(PA), 08-04-2004 08:02:10  
I don't try to paint with broad strokes. BUT....Sometimes that happens. I don't consider everyone who grew up in the city and moved to the country to be a yuppie. Let me first give you some background on myself. My father owned a rather successful construction business, as well as a large (for its time) dairy farm. We lived in town. (Outskirts of Louisville, Kentucky) I went to college (Purdue--Ag eng.) I spent time in the Army. (nuclear weapons program) After leaving the Army, I took a job in the robotics field. I lived in Louisville (city limits). As my children started to get to school age, I wanted them in the country. We moved near to the family farm. I currently work (full time) running a main. dept. for a large country club. I farm in the evening, on week ends, and vacation time. I am (by definition) a yuppie to some. I sure don't see myself as one though. I have computer equipped my farming operation (Deere GreenStar). I have a (small) collection of old tractors and impliments. I also attend tractor pulls quite frequently. I have NO PROBLEM with anyone else doing their thing. (I just can't see ME dumping my hard earned money into one) My entire point has been, and still is, people taking over the small "county fair" pulls that WERE for those of us that USE tractors on the farm. We have no problem with the rest of the guys having their pulls, but we would like OUR space too. I posted on Tractor Tales also. I explained my views on there. We were forced out of our pull, by someone with unlimited cash flow. He wanted to set the rules, change them at will, and dominate with HIS tractors. He has virtually locked anyone else out of the fairgrounds, and for that matter, about a 5 county area around us. We can't have a pull without his "blessing". This pull I'm talking about isn't intended to draw a crowd, other than the participants. As recently as 10 years ago, we had over 250 tracors entered in our "field class" pulls. A local farn co-op foot the bill for the sled. Like I keep saying, go right ahead with the other pulls. I wouldn't DREAM of standing in the way of someone elses fun. BUT, they sure did stand in the way of ours. Thanks. John

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Redman

08-04-2004 14:31:49




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 Re: TRACTOR PULLING PART 3: THE RETURN OF THE WEAS in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 08-04-2004 09:50:38  
sounds like it is not the other pullers causing the problems,but instead one jerk ruining it for everyone.
the majority of our pulls here in MN have eveything from antiques to semis and everything in between.
we do have a few pulls where if you go and you should win,you will be protested and DQed as the guy that runs them is a puller and does not like to lose.
by the way,the rules are 1 turbo ,24.5-32 tire limit the rest is open.

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buickanddeere

08-04-2004 05:58:46




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 Re: TRACTOR PULLING PART 3: THE RETURN OF THE WEAS in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 08-04-2004 05:17:36  
Looks like I struck your soft spot. For just one,you talk about money doesn't matter than brag about making so much and owning land in which you inherited most of it. Is your "income" gross or net? The Yankee was related to another post on this topic. Just because you know who this Jeff Gordon guy is, how do expect everyone else to know him?



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Indydirtfarmer

08-04-2004 07:01:59




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 Re: TRACTOR PULLING PART 3: THE RETURN OF THE WEAS in reply to buickanddeere, 08-04-2004 05:58:46  
I don't "brag" about my income. You brought it up. I just stated facts..... I had my "income" before I inherited the farm. That's how I was able to afford the taxs involved in KEEPING the farm. I don't see where anyones income should determine their level of influence over the wants and needs of a group of people. that is what is happening to tractor pulling in our area. If I wanted to get into a spending match with most of these guys, They wouldn't last long. Don't give yourself so much credit.....You don't deserve it. You didn't strike any "soft spot". And I do know the REAL Jeff Gordon. I had dinner with him a few years back. He was at a local track, signing autographs. It was on the 4th of August, coincedentally. Today is his, and my birthday. He spent a great deal of time at this track in his "younger days". (Salem Motor Speedway....sight of some of his sprintcar wins)

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TheRealRon

08-04-2004 07:30:42




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 Re: TRACTOR PULLING PART 3: THE RETURN OF THE WEAS in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 08-04-2004 07:01:59  
Don't let buickandbeer get to you. He's a troll who posts nonsense and then likes to enage in arguing about increasingly off-topic things... and he always goes off-topic. No matter how much you try to get it across to him, he will never understand the fact the "all the money on earth can't buy one ounce of class".

You have class, buickandbeer doesn't. Let's just leave it at that.



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Paul in Mich

08-04-2004 08:21:37




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 Re: TRACTOR PULLING PART 3: THE RETURN OF THE WEAS in reply to TheRealRon, 08-04-2004 07:30:42  
Ron, I have to wonder just how much class it takes to make such a classless statement as you just made. I've been here long enough to read, and even involve myself in some pretty heated debates, yet, I have never deemed one of the debators classless. If holding an opinion that is contrary to yours makes a person classless, then, I'd say that that would include half the worlds population. You're right about one thing, and that all the money in the workd can't buy an ounce of class. Could that be the reason that your ransom has not been paid?

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TheRealRon

08-04-2004 09:19:59




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 Re: TRACTOR PULLING PART 3: THE RETURN OF THE WEAS in reply to Paul in Mich, 08-04-2004 08:21:37  
It was your buddy who brought up "class", can't you read or are you too "classless".

It has nothing to do with opinions and unless you are as dumb as he is, you would know that. It has to do with trolling... which is exactly what you are doing... which is why you and he are proof of the fact that "birds of a feather, flock together".



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Paul in Mich

08-04-2004 10:11:42




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 Re: TRACTOR PULLING PART 3: THE RETURN OF THE WEAS in reply to TheRealRon, 08-04-2004 09:19:59  
Ron, you are so right.....those of us who soar get a real birds eye view of ye who slither.



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TheRealRon

08-04-2004 11:48:41




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 Re: TRACTOR PULLING PART 3: THE RETURN OF THE WEAS in reply to Paul in Mich, 08-04-2004 10:11:42  
Maybe you and the other bird-brained guy can debate the existence of AC/DC transformers!
HA!HA!HA!



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Paul in Mich

08-04-2004 13:45:01




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 Re: TRACTOR PULLING PART 3: THE RETURN OF THE WEAS in reply to TheRealRon, 08-04-2004 11:48:41  
Ron, I prefer to leave that explaination to the subject matter experts. Perhaps you could volunteer since it was you who chose to bring up the subject.



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TheRealRon

08-05-2004 06:49:36




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 Re: TRACTOR PULLING PART 3: THE RETURN OF THE WEAS in reply to Paul in Mich, 08-04-2004 13:45:01  
They exist; you and buickandbeer will disagree and, therefore, both of you are wrong.



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Paul in Mich

08-05-2004 07:44:18




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 Re: TRACTOR PULLING PART 3: THE RETURN OF THE WEAS in reply to TheRealRon, 08-05-2004 06:49:36  
You may want to consider the fact that the longer you go and the harder you try, the less sense you make. It is now to the point where what you are saying is nothing but blather. Therefore whatever you have to say from this point deserves zero response.



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big jt

08-04-2004 00:01:10




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 Re: TRACTOR PULLING PART 3: THE RETURN OF THE WEAS in reply to Clint, 08-03-2004 18:49:17  
The pulls in the south are more of the stock stuff. Just a bunch of guys havin fun.

Sold a 77 to a guy in Florida that he was going to use for pullin. He didn't intend to do any mods to it.

Been to shows in AZ and that is about the only activity there except for parades.

Most of these shows are in the winter months.

In my area guys get real competitive like described. I am in NW IA. Most shows here include most activities like threshing etc.

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J.C. IN AZ.

08-03-2004 19:42:34




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 Re: TRACTOR PULLING PART 3: THE RETURN OF THE WEAS in reply to Clint, 08-03-2004 18:49:17  
It's so much nicer when you don't SHOUT.



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CLINT

08-03-2004 19:45:34




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 Re: TRACTOR PULLING PART 3: THE RETURN OF THE WEAS in reply to J.C. IN AZ., 08-03-2004 19:42:34  
HEY, IT'S JUST THE WAY I TALK. LOUD!!!!



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supermpuller4

08-03-2004 19:34:49




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 Re: TRACTOR PULLING PART 3: THE RETURN OF THE WEAS in reply to Clint, 08-03-2004 18:49:17  
I always have fun tractor pulling ,win or lose. By the way I hate the Yankees.



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Leland

08-03-2004 19:12:20




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 Re: TRACTOR PULLING PART 3: THE RETURN OF THE WEAS in reply to Clint, 08-03-2004 18:49:17  
Clint don't get me wrong, but is'nt the point of competing to win. I,am 42 and have been going to pulls for 35 years and nothing has changed constant complaining. What would NASCAR be like if they cars stay stock. You would then have the Daytona 100 not the 500. Same with pulling people want LOUD and SMOKE belching tractors. I also like the oldies to but you have to have this mix or the sport would DIE from being boring and pepole would fall asleep watching very slow old iron, kinda of like driving 55

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harley1983

08-04-2004 10:46:35




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 Re: TRACTOR PULLING PART 3: THE RETURN OF THE WEAS in reply to Leland, 08-03-2004 19:12:20  
I believe I mentioned this about three days ago. I like the old stuff too, just not four hours of it on and on and on and on. There's a place for everyone, that's what makes this country different from the rest of the fried up world. To some extent we can still all do our own thing. Now get out there and do it. Harley



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Sid

08-03-2004 22:40:10




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 Re: TRACTOR PULLING PART 3: THE RETURN OF THE WEAS in reply to Leland, 08-03-2004 19:12:20  
They have a tractor pull at the steam show in Republic Mo. every year. Just old tractors. It is well attended every year. People stay some nights until two AM. Since they pay to get in the gate and stay that late it must not be very boring and no they do not go to sleep. No you do not have to have a mix to keep the sport from dying. If the big loud smoke belching tractors can not survive on their own they should not try to crowd in on the oldies who have been holding their own for years.

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Leland

08-03-2004 23:23:09




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 Re: TRACTOR PULLING PART 3: THE RETURN OF THE WEAS in reply to Sid, 08-03-2004 22:40:10  
All I am trying to say its nice to have a little of every thing at a pull.Were I live people have short attention spans, and get bored easily and the smokers really wake them up. At our state fair on thursday night the wind is always out of the north, and they just fog the midway. And that always brings new fans to the sport. bacause people wonder what is going on. And just like people watch nascar for the wrecks people want to see full pulls and see tractors blow up.

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Redman

08-03-2004 19:10:40




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 Re: TRACTOR PULLING PART 3: THE RETURN OF THE WEAS in reply to Clint, 08-03-2004 18:49:17  
i agree,each tractor should be in the correct class.
each class has a following of fans and all classes are needed to put on a good show.



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Flyin Farmall

08-03-2004 18:57:49




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 Re: TRACTOR PULLING PART 3: THE RETURN OF THE WEAS in reply to Clint, 08-03-2004 18:49:17  
Check out my tractor in the photo section,you"ll love this one.



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Randy

08-04-2004 05:32:08




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 Re: TRACTOR PULLING PART 3: THE RETURN OF THE WEAS in reply to Flyin Farmall, 08-03-2004 18:57:49  
Where in Wisconsin are you located? I live down by Blancardville, 25 miles south of Madison.
Nice looking tractor, would like to see it pull sometime.



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