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David in Wales

06-20-2007 07:22:54

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Hi Gang;
Fuel prices creeping up here again (!).
Talking to the silage contractor who runs the New Holland self propelleds, each machines consumes between 120 & 150 US gallons a day depending on the crop & hours worked.
Red Diesel (rebated for agric tractors) $3 US gallon
White Diesel (for cars & trucks) $7.40 US gallon.
Gasoline a few cents more (NO gas tractors here).
Getting WAY OVER THE TOP now.
Cheers David

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David in Wales

06-20-2007 11:32:14

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Re: farm fuel in highway vehicles in reply to David in Wales, 06-20-2007 07:22:54

Hi;
BuickandDeere asks what happens when you get caught using red rebated farm diesel in a car or truck on the public highway - G*D HELP YOU !!!
Fine of several thousand $ plus your vehicle may be confiscated and crushed !!! In tractors on agricultural duties you can use red diesel on highways. You cant use tractor for other work like spreading salt, moving non farm products, antique tractor road runs, travelling to ploughing matches etc.
They have regular spot checks on roads with police in attendance to enforce the law. At farm shows they will dip the fuel tank on every vehicle coming onto the carpark. Cheers David

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Matt from CT

06-20-2007 12:21:48

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Re: farm fuel in highway vehicles in reply to David in Wales, 06-20-2007 11:32:14

Charlotte, NC man had a "Powered by Biodiesel" sticker on his '81 Mercedes while entering Lowe's Motor Speedway back in May. Enough of a greenie that he bought soybean oil by the 5 gallon bucket at Costco, for $0.30/gallon then Diesel, to power it.

Unfortunately, the Revenuers were there dipping the tanks on motor homes looking for untaxed diesel.

Bumper sticker caught their attention, $1,000 state fine & told to expect the same bill from the Feds.

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jdemaris

06-20-2007 13:18:23

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Re: farm fuel in highway vehicles in reply to Matt from CT, 06-20-2007 12:21:48

Seems to me the guy wasn't being too bright. First of all - why adversise you are doing it with bumper stickers? That is asking for trouble and bound to ruin a good thing for others. Second - he paid more for the soybean bio fuel than regular diesel to make a "green" statement? I bet it took more good-old-fashioned diesel fuel - to produce that "biofuel" than it would of if put directly into his Mercedes tank. Also, the Mercedes are not particularly efficient anyway - he'd get much better fuel mileage with an Isuzu powered car/truck or a Volkwagen of the same vintage. Many of the turbo 300D Mercedes diesels - early 80s only get around 26 MPG max. which is pretty bad for a small diesel car. My diesel Volkwagen Jettas and Chevettes both get 50 MPG highway.

The other issue I wonder about is the legality. I can understand the State fine if they have such laws or statutes in place. Some states allow untaxed home-fuel,and some do not. But Federal?? Unless something has changed recently, U.S. citizens have been allowed to use "home brew" fuel on a Federal level since the Jimmy Carter administration - up to a certain amount of gallons per year.

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T_Bone

06-20-2007 13:58:03

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Re: farm fuel in highway vehicles in reply to jdemaris, 06-20-2007 13:18:23

Hi Matt,

It's been posted on this forum as well as many other websites of the IRS direct quote on making your own biodiesel. Your allowed 400gal per person per household per year of untaxed fuel.

The States however are not following that. Example in AZ you pay the road tax upfront on ALL fuel then you have to file income tax records to get the untaxed credit of $.18gal. That's even for farm fuel or off road fuel.

So if you make your own biodiesel in AZ you best send the State $180 then file for a refund if any is due at the end of the year. AZ requires the tax to be paid BEFORE the fuel is used in this State or a $1000 fine will be accessed.

You like the way they even make the out of State people file for AZ State Income Tax!!!

T_Bone

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buickanddeere

06-20-2007 11:45:33

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Re: farm fuel in highway vehicles in reply to David in Wales, 06-20-2007 11:32:14

It's painful to hear how her majesty keeps the peasants under watch at all times. Cameras everywhere too. 1984 was just 20 or 30 years late arriving. Outright invasion of privacy to search without a warrant or "probable cause". What happens when traces of coloured fuel are found mixed in with the clear. Does the fuel system have to be drained & completely flushed of coloured fuel for non ag highway driving?

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cj3b_jeep

06-20-2007 09:47:26

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Re: Fuel prices in England in reply to David in Wales, 06-20-2007 07:22:54

Last time I bought ag diesel here in Ohio it was $2.25 a gallon, about a month ago.

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Clint Youse MO

06-20-2007 08:56:09

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Re: Fuel prices in England in reply to David in Wales, 06-20-2007 07:22:54

Here in NEMO it was gas was $2.79 a gallon and clear diesel was $2.69 red is usually $0.35 cheaper than clear.

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Luke S

06-20-2007 08:48:27

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Re: Fuel prices in England in reply to David in Wales, 06-20-2007 07:22:54

I've been giving about $2.35 for off road diesel, $2.70 for on road and gas stays around $2.99 here in central Missouri.

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buickanddeere

06-20-2007 08:33:22

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Re: Fuel prices in England in reply to David in Wales, 06-20-2007 07:22:54

Coming soon to North America,$7.00 a gallon highway diesel. What is kerosene priced at of late? How serious a flogging is administered to those who accidently use farm fuel in highway vehicles?

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kyplowboy

06-20-2007 17:55:27

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Re: Fuel prices in England in reply to buickanddeere, 06-20-2007 08:33:22

In KY the flogging is pretty steep! If you get checked here you better hope you are a ways from the house and you can get some one to move all your other trucks with red fuel behind a hill before the DOT's get there. First time it is over a grand I think per truck.

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J Schwiebert

06-20-2007 08:11:41

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Re: Fuel prices in England in reply to David in Wales, 06-20-2007 07:22:54

When I was there 3 plus years ago to see the boy and his family I had taken the numbers down and the first day back I had to sub for a math class and did not have a lesson plan from the teacher. I had them calculate the price of fuel in England. Rate of exchange, liter to gallon, etc. This was for cars (gas. It was $4.76 a gallon then. I enjoy your posts. Interesting to know the difference in price between diesel for road vehicles and farm fuel.We saw 2 new 60 seres Deere combines on a dealer's lot and were trying to compute the cost of fuel for a day. Cheers to you too. We also went to Germany and it was $60.00 American to fill a Ford focus that was still 1/4 full! J.

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John Harmon

06-20-2007 07:47:47

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Re: Fuel prices in England in reply to David in Wales, 06-20-2007 07:22:54

Gas prices are dropping here in Phoenix Az.by several Pennies at a time. Saw a QT Mart with $2.98.9 --87 Octane on Bell Road ,North Phoenix. A few Weeks ago $3.30.9 was not unusual. Won't last . The Fuel suppliers goal this time around will be $3.50 for 87 Octane U.S,Gallon,Within 5 years Gasoline will be $5.00 per Gal. "IMHO".

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Gary in TX

06-20-2007 17:37:02

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Re: Fuel prices in England in reply to John Harmon, 06-20-2007 07:47:47

If you see gas and fuel prices getting as high as you say, your going to see a dust bowl type situation going on like you won't believe. We are being suckered by the oil companies and no one gives a darn about it. Oh well, gotta have it everyone says, bull, its this attitude thats taking all of us to the cleaners! Price gouging and oil companies making record profits while we are paying out the you know what for it should be against the law.

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rodgernbama

06-20-2007 19:50:40

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Re: Fuel prices in England in reply to Gary in TX, 06-20-2007 17:37:02

I agree with what your saying about the gas.If we cut back (which I think alot of people have cut back since it went over $3.00 a gallon) then the oil companies just cut back on gasoline production so there's no way for consumers to win playing that game. I have also heard that the oil companies are running the grain prices up on the futures market to make alternative fuels unattractive.

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