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Sandblasting Vs. Steam cleaning

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Jeb2N

07-19-2004 12:37:07




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Hello;

I have a tractor that has been stripped down to the engine, transmission, and rear axles. I need to clean it but I don't know which way to go. I have a small sand blaster (1/2" ID hose) but I can't rent an air compressor big enough to run it. I was also exploring the option of renting a steam pressure washer and steam cleaning all the old paint and grease off.

If I sand blasted it, i'd have to carry the chassis to someone and have them do it by means of loading/unloading with a forklift which kinda scares me. I'm also worried about sand getting in the engine and transmission. I can't rent a true steam cleaner, but the guy says he'll rent me a high pressure washer that may or may not remove the paint so it sounds skeptical at best.

Should I spray the whole thing down with oven cleaner and try my luck with the pressure washer (even though I have new gaskets all over the place) or do I run the risk of sandblasting and do it myself being extrememly careful? What say ye?

Jeb

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Leland

07-19-2004 22:41:18




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 Re: Sandblasting Vs. Steam cleaning in reply to Jeb2N, 07-19-2004 12:37:07  
Hey Jeb have you tried autozones aircraft stripper works graet and can be pressure washed off



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msb

07-19-2004 19:57:38




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 Re: Sandblasting Vs. Steam cleaning in reply to Jeb2N, 07-19-2004 12:37:07  
Whether you decide to use whatever way to restore the tractor, do yourself a favor and visit this website.---www.fboeger.com/---The guy is very helpful as well as very very entertaining.


Personally, I would use the lye gravy (He gives the recipe)and get a tank on wheels for enough water to powerwash it when the lye is done.3gpm pump= only 15 minutes of wash time when using a 55 gallon drum.Won't get much done doing it that way.There has been some recent discussions at MH &MF site that may be of help too concerning epoxy primer etc.

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Sting

07-19-2004 16:06:41




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 Re: Sandblasting Vs. Steam cleaning in reply to Jeb2N, 07-19-2004 12:37:07  
Call the local CAR WASH. In my town they have a rig that comes to the site and pressure washes the job you have.



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DL

07-19-2004 13:12:57




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 Re: Sandblasting Vs. Steam cleaning in reply to Jeb2N, 07-19-2004 12:37:07  
Hey Jeb,
A couple days ago, someone posted a link to a web site that will solve your dilemma! Requires neither sandblaster nor high pressure washing... articles describe the use of "electrolisis" and "lye gravy." Many others on the YT forum have described using these methods as well... the consensus seems to be that these processes are about the best way to remove paint, grease and rust... also, VERY inexpensive. Check out www.fboerger.com ...click on restoration tips & you'll find both articles!
Regards, DL

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Jeb2N

07-19-2004 13:24:36




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 Re: Re: Sandblasting Vs. Steam cleaning in reply to DL, 07-19-2004 13:12:57  
Hey DL;

Yes, i know all about electrolysis and I have used it on my personal tractor to great satisfaction. I am currently working on restoring a tractor for the company I work for. The problem is, I am needing to clean the entire engine/tranny/rear end as a complete, assembled unit. There's no way I can build a tank big enough to house all of that! I don't want to have to completely disassemble all of this just to clean it. No sense in tearing down a working engine just to clean the block, y'know? If I had torn it down to rebuild or something like that, then yes, I would do electrolysis but that is not a viable option right now. Thanks anyway for the suggestion.

JEb

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DL

07-19-2004 17:44:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Sandblasting Vs. Steam cleaning in reply to Jeb2N, 07-19-2004 13:24:36  
Hey Jeb,
I realize the assembled tractor is too large to build a tank for... I only mentioned that part in case you had any smaller tin work (or whatever) that might be suited for electrolysis... MORE IMPORTANTLY, THOUGH, is the article on the "lye gravy"... this guy claims that a couple dollar's worth of lye will dissolve the paint and grease off the better part of an entire tractor... and, he claims it won't damage rubber and most gaskets. Might be worth a read!

Regards, DL

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Jeb2N

07-19-2004 18:28:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Sandblasting Vs. Steam cleaning in reply to DL, 07-19-2004 17:44:20  
Could you link to that for me please? Where do you even get lye from? I didn't think they sold that stuff anymore. Keep in mind I live in a small town and I went to look for "Washing Soda" for my electrolysis tank and it cannot be had where I am. I had to use Baking Soda. Where does one normally get Lye from and what's Ye Olde Recipe?

Thanks



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thurlow

07-19-2004 19:44:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sandblasting Vs. Steam cleanin in reply to Jeb2N, 07-19-2004 18:28:56  
This lye gravy is.....of course..... Frank in Tallahassee's (or California, maybe)concoction. Red Devil or Merry Widow lye should be available in any grocery (or Wal-mart) store; probably in the drain cleaner section.



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Keith-OR

07-19-2004 22:55:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sandblasting Vs. Steam cle in reply to thurlow, 07-19-2004 19:44:54  
Go to this website and click on restoration tips. I just finished using both methods on my tractor project. In paint process now. For the washing soda you could have used "PH Plus" from Wal Mart swiming pool section.It is 98% sodium carbonate. Also Red Devel Lye in the drain cleaner section of your local grocery store. HTH.....Keith

http://www.fboerger.com/



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Ron

07-19-2004 13:41:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Sandblasting Vs. Steam cleaning in reply to Jeb2N, 07-19-2004 13:24:36  
Spray with "Clear Magic". Let soak, then hit it with COLD water from your pressure washer. It's amazing stufff... sold at big home centers and some industrial supply houses.



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Jeb2N

07-19-2004 14:35:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Sandblasting Vs. Steam cleaning in reply to Ron, 07-19-2004 13:41:20  
You know what I just realized? I have NO running water at the state-of-the-art (abandoned) warehous that they put me in for this project. I'm restoring this tractor for the company that I work for. All I have is electricity...no air, no water and the nearest water spigot is about 1000 feet away across a semi-busy road. It looks like either way i'm going to have to move the tractor in it's unassembled condition to get it cleaned. Man, this really irks me!!!

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Raleigh

07-19-2004 15:56:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sandblasting Vs. Steam cleanin in reply to Jeb2N, 07-19-2004 14:35:07  
I worked in the textile Ind. for about 15 years in maintenance. I have used a product called Chisel made by Loctite. It will remove paint fast. I've seen it remove epoxy coats. You have to be careful with it and not get it on your skin. Been a while since I've used any but if I remember correctly it'll wrinkle paint up in about 4-5 minutes. We used it to remove gaskets and found what it'll do to paint when spraying to much on. It's great for those nooks and crannies that's hard to get anything in to clean too.

It cost about $9 per 18 ounce aerosol can.

Just a suggestion and may help in your water problem. Like the other post said you could use a 55 gal drum of water(and pressure washer) and some cans of Chisel and get the job done fast.

I think you would be amazed at how this stuff removes paint.

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Davis In SC

07-19-2004 19:11:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sandblasting Vs. Steam cle in reply to Raleigh, 07-19-2004 15:56:35  
Loctite Chisel is a great paint remover, I agree !!! I think the ingedient that really makes it work is Methylene Chloride. This is also found in some paint strippers. I got lucky, & bought a dozen cans of Chisel that had gone out of date for a dollar a can..... Wish I had bought more.



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Jeb2N

07-19-2004 16:01:14




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sandblasting Vs. Steam cle in reply to Raleigh, 07-19-2004 15:56:35  
Just one question...wouldn't that ruin all those nice gaskets I just made for the transmission covers and such?!?!? Kinda like a catch 22 it would seem like to me. Still learning about all this stuff. I like the 55 Gal drum idea, that I could swing. Fill it up at work and then drive it across the street and drop a hose in it...sounds like a plan. Thanks!



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RayP(MI)

07-19-2004 18:21:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sandblasting Vs. Steam in reply to Jeb2N, 07-19-2004 16:01:14  
We cleaned a tractor using a 2200psi/3gpm cold water power washer. Took dirt, loose paint, everything. Also took lot of water! the 55 gal drum will probably get the job done, but plan on lots of trips... Probably should put a fitting on bottom of tank, and draw water from there, rather than trying to siphon out the top.



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Raleigh

07-19-2004 16:56:01




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sandblasting Vs. Steam in reply to Jeb2N, 07-19-2004 16:01:14  
Didn't know you had installed new gaskets. But with a little care in what you spray the chisel on I think the gasket edges could be avoided.

Chisel is more like a foam than a liquid spray. Unless you over do it, it pretty much stays where you spray it. I expect if you have space you could use some cardboard (straight edge to hold against the edge of the gaskets and spray above and below. You could also wipe the edge of the gasket off before it has time to dissolve it. Just wear rubber gloves and goggles if you try it.

Like I said it's just a thought from what I've seen chisel do. You may want to try one can and see what you think. If it works like it used to you can spray it on,watch it bubble and fizz and in a few minutes you can use a rag to wipe it off. It'll be bare metal looking at you.

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Jeb2N

07-19-2004 18:30:14




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sandblasting Vs. S in reply to Raleigh, 07-19-2004 16:56:01  
Where do you get that stuff? I've never heard of it before and I even went to a Loctite seminar/workshop! Sounds like some pretty wild stuff.



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Raleigh

07-19-2004 20:28:19




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sandblasting V in reply to Jeb2N, 07-19-2004 18:30:14  
I would check places like NAPA stores, but would expect they wouldn't have it on the shelf and would have to order. Myself, I order online and would use the link I'm going to add in this post.

Davis In SC, in the poat above found a real deal in that dollar per can buy. Davis I'm gonna call you old lucky.(LOL) Now I'd like to run up on a deal like that. I've got a cattle trailer that's beginning to rust some and I'll get started on that in the next few weeks. Some chisel would work great around the hinges,latches, and any pivot points. Darn good buy you made Davis!!

Jeb2N, click on the link and when the page opens go down the page to LOCTITE 79040 if you order online.

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Ron

07-19-2004 15:02:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sandblasting Vs. Steam cleanin in reply to Jeb2N, 07-19-2004 14:35:07  
Whoa!

As long as the company is paying... have them order you up a water truck. Even the small ones carry 2,000 gallons. Make sure they know you want it left there all day for you.



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thurlow

07-19-2004 14:57:09




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sandblasting Vs. Steam cleanin in reply to Jeb2N, 07-19-2004 14:35:07  
Pressure washers use low volumes of water.....assume since we're talking tractors (you know, farmers and all that) that you've got a nurse tank which could supply the water. Failing that, even a 55 gal drum (pipe thread fitting adapted/bushed to garden hose thread) would work..... ..



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seth

07-19-2004 19:12:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sandblasting Vs. Steam cle in reply to thurlow, 07-19-2004 14:57:09  
I would NEVER hook my good power washer up to a gravity fed water suppy(i.e. a barrel). My power washer is about 2250psi/2.2 gallon per minute. My owners manual specifically says that it must be supplied with a garden hose with not less than 50 psi and 3/4 inch in diameter.



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daniel

07-19-2004 14:10:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Sandblasting Vs. Steam cleaning in reply to Ron, 07-19-2004 13:41:20  
if u have a pressure washer then hook it up to your hot water heater and your boil the paint away trust me



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Ron

07-20-2004 03:21:00




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sandblasting Vs. Steam cleanin in reply to daniel, 07-19-2004 14:10:46  
"Clear Magic" must be rinsed only with cold water.



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will hurt Pressure pump

07-19-2004 22:35:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sandblasting Vs. Steam cleanin in reply to daniel, 07-19-2004 14:10:46  
I would not do it ,Pressure washer pumps will not stand the heat. If you look at the hot water pressure washers, the water is always heated after the high pressure pump !!!!



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Ron

07-20-2004 03:13:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sandblasting Vs. Steam cle in reply to will hurt Pressure pump, 07-19-2004 22:35:24  
I've done it with 125F water from my water heater into cold water pumps and that's perfectly safe. Anything above 125F and you're on your own.



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