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how to weld draw bar

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dick

07-15-2004 07:44:37




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The brawbar on my 1650 is getting pretty worn can it be built up with weld if so what rod would i use.




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T_Bone

07-15-2004 23:38:21




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 Re: how to weld draw bar in reply to dick, 07-15-2004 07:44:37  
Hi dick,

7018 DCEP works very well.

Take a torch and preheat before welding. Heat too about 1100º then let air cool. This will stress relieve the metal before welding and removes oil and grease that can add carbon to the weld area making it brittle.

You would want to heavy tack weld ( about 1-1/2" long) the bar in several places to a welding bench or rail iron before welding as this would keep the bar from warping during welding.

Let the bar completely air cool to the touch before removing from the bench/rail iron.

Something is going to ware out using a draw bar. Since the draw bar is the cheapest and easiest to repair, I would not add any type of hard facing to the draw bar.

I've written several articles on welding over on the Tool Forum that you might want to read thru. Doing a search for "weld" brings up the most results.

T_Bone

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Ray,IN

07-16-2004 18:48:38




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 Re: Re: how to weld draw bar in reply to T_Bone, 07-15-2004 23:38:21  
I too work that way. I want the cheapest and easiest part to replace to absorb the most wear and abuse. I'm still trying to figure out how to reattach the hitch pin to one end of my original Harry Ferguson drawbar so it looks natural. I broke it by shear foolishness.



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thurlow

07-16-2004 18:58:23




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 Re: Re: Re: how to weld draw bar in reply to Ray,IN, 07-16-2004 18:48:38  
I have fixed several (also built some from scratch) using either a rod of the correct diameter or a purchased implement pin (has threads, which are not used as such).Cut a "slot" out to a depth of about 3 inches in the drawbar.....weld the pin/rod in. It may not look completely original, but can be made to look good, depending on the effort you put into it.....



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T_Bone

07-16-2004 22:11:38




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: how to weld draw bar in reply to thurlow, 07-16-2004 18:58:23  
Hi Ray,

Hard to expand on what Thurlow has said as it sounds like a good repair. With a grinder the new one can be blended to match the other side.

I would not butt weld the old piece without drilling the pin/bar about 1" both ways then adding a short piece of 3/8" or 1/2" rod then welding. I would "V" grove the pin/bar to the cross pin then weld.

This would help align the pin to the bar as well add strength to the joint. If the old pin was a tad short then you could also set it at the correct length.

T_Bone

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Dean K

07-15-2004 22:09:36




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 Re: how to weld draw bar in reply to dick, 07-15-2004 07:44:37  
Assume it's moderately worn, noticeable but not completely shot? I've had good luck welding up to the hole plugged with appropriate size brass or bronze round stock, may have to drill some to weaken, then knock it out with a punch. Only done this a couple times, good results with moderate load, and saving real hard to get replacement parts. Aluminum would probably work too, both brass and alum make a nice backup or hole shaper in this case, good luck, DK

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msb

07-15-2004 19:34:57




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 Re: how to weld draw bar in reply to dick, 07-15-2004 07:44:37  
Insert a piece of carbon ,the same size as original hole,in the hole in the drawbar and weld right up to the carbon.When you are done break the carbon rod out of your perfectly formed hole.(So I am told)



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KX

07-15-2004 12:39:15




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 Re: how to weld draw bar in reply to dick, 07-15-2004 07:44:37  
If it is worn from contact/rub, I would fill in the worn area with another piece of steel fitted as best i could. Then I would weld a contact pad so it couldn't wear so easily in that same place. You may also want to add to the width of it in that area with 3/4 sucker rod welded to both sides. You don't want to try to just "fill" the area with welding rod, weld more to it to make it stronger and prevent future wear. I always try to fix something like by making it stronger than it was before.

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Bruce

07-15-2004 08:56:40




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 Re: how to weld draw bar in reply to dick, 07-15-2004 07:44:37  
I have had great luck with 7018 rod. Very strong...easy to weld...and nice looking welds too. Can use AC or DC. DC welds look nicer, but not as hot as AC so if you need the weld to run deep..us AC.



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Nor. Al

07-15-2004 08:29:44




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 Re: how to weld draw bar in reply to dick, 07-15-2004 07:44:37  
Steel



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