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buck

07-14-2004 19:34:57




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to my sisters question and I guess I will just tell her that that is a MATING CALL of those flirting with her. In that she hasn't had much luck with men I will have to catch her when she isn't armed. Now I have a question about these pickup type diesel motors. Rolling down the Istate and a KW , 2 Peterbuilts, a Volvo and a Mack pass me and I don't miss a word on my radio. Along comes a pickup the same size as mine (150) and I can't even hear the radio untill the other pickup is 100' ahead. Why are the light truck diesels so much louder than their big truck counterparts. I have a neighbor who has a Dodge 3/4 ton and I can hear it at his house about a mile away. Oh well, just an old man wondering about these things. Again thanks.

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Tramway Guy

07-15-2004 19:02:02




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 Re: Thanks for all the response in reply to buck, 07-14-2004 19:34:57  
There are at least two factors working against you in smaller pickups. Yes, you can get HP at a lower RPM, but you have to transmit it through a transmission is that often a slightly modified version of the same ones used on gasoline engines. If you put that much torque through it it would tear it up..
To develop that power at low RPM, means you would need a physically larger powerplant, which you pay dearly for in a limited space.
Also, the Big-Rig engines have a lot more coolant and iron surrounding the combustion chambers, which does help absorb the noises generated internally.
My '96 Cummins now has a noise insulation blanket package which I purchased from a California and helps considerably. Yes the newer 'common rail' system is much, much quieter.

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Mark - IN.

07-15-2004 19:00:24




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 Re: Thanks for all the response in reply to buck, 07-14-2004 19:34:57  
Buck, that's not necessarily so. My '01 Cummins is on the louder side with factory exhaust and everything. But an '04 is far quieter. I'm not sure whether or not my '01 is a Series 2 Cummins, and whether or not '04's are Series 3. I sure lost track. Mine has 32 valves, but older ones have 24 valves. It goes on and on, and every year there are more restrictions on noise off of the assembly lines, mostly because anything that is not an obvious car is now deemed/termed an "SUV", and whith the popularity of "SUV's", so are the attacks on them, and fluffing them out so that they won't hurt Yugo's, Honda's battery whatchamacallit, and so on. Not saying that loud diesels are a good thing either, but today's diesels are much quieter that a couple of years ago. And quiet KW's, etc? Them too, quieter than a few years ago. As for the mating call thing, didn't you say that it was a "husband and wife" team that spent 2 hours or so in your sister's store? You just tell sis to stay away from their mating call, it can bring no good to her - Ha ha ha. Take care Buck, and keep in mind that it is not only good to have 6 tractors per acre, it's just as good to have one turbo for every cylinder on that diesel under your hood, at least one per cylinder.

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Davis In SC

07-15-2004 10:12:19




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 Re: Thanks for all the response in reply to buck, 07-14-2004 19:34:57  
Although they sound loud, all the Diesel pickups come from the factory meeting Federal noise emission regulations. They have standards for noise, similar to the exaust emission specs. I would suppose most of the exhaust modifications actually violate these federal laws. As far as noise goes, my biggest complaint is about the idiots that play bass music that nearly splits your eardrums. A few areas confiscate & smash the amps & speakers. Sheriff here refuses to enforce the noise laws against them. Regards, Davis

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Gary Mckenzie

07-15-2004 05:49:00




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 Re: Thanks for all the response in reply to buck, 07-14-2004 19:34:57  
I've been told by someone that's supposed to know that the diesels in pickups are noisy by design, its supposed to give them "sex appeal", or make them more attractive to the target market. I do know that the Cummins B5.9 in industrial applications doesn't make all that racket, and is relatively quiet. In addition to the exhaust system, there are some differences in the valve train etc. that makes them rattle. I'm obviously not in the target market, all that racket doesn't appeal to me at all!

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26Red

07-15-2004 08:10:45




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 Re: Re: Thanks for all the response in reply to Gary Mckenzie, 07-15-2004 05:49:00  
The new diesel pickups are much quieter due to the "common fuel rail injection system" design. Most of the noise you here on the older trucks is generated by the fuel pump and the injectors.

The guys with the loud diesel trucks have modified their exhaust...like removing the silencer ring or going to a larger diameter pipe, or removing the muffler.. which makes them just about as annoyying as straight pipes on a gasser.

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Ron

07-15-2004 04:33:50




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 Re: Thanks for all the response in reply to buck, 07-14-2004 19:34:57  
The others assumed you meant exhaust noise. That's stricly a function of the exhaust system.

If you meant that nasty "rattle" that diesels are famous for, well, that's a different story. The Cummins in your neighbors Dodge is very poorly designed. A friend has one and he can't turn the radio up loud enough to drown the %#$^ thing out. It's noisier than a D9 Cat. The later models with the computer controlled injection are a little quieter.

The big rigs have much better designed engines in them and are therefore quieter. Diesels can be almost totally free of rattle; stand next to a late model Mecerdes sometime and you'll see what a well-designed diesel sounds like.

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Hugh MacKay

07-15-2004 03:45:08




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 Re: Thanks for all the response in reply to buck, 07-14-2004 19:34:57  
Buck: You have a good point on the noise levels of pickups compared to the big rigs. Most guys driving big rigs are tired of noise and most guys driving pickups are just trying to make noise.

Most of those big rigs on the highway today are making 60 mph at 1650 rpm or less. I am driving a Mack right now that actually does 60 mph at or near 1300 to 1400 rpm. Since most diesels develop maximum torque at or near 1500, not much need to turn them much more than 1800 to 2000. Some of these damn pickups are turning close to 3000 rpm. Those buyers need a bit of education; that being that the longeviety of the diesel is in the fact it can perform the same work at 1650 rpm as a similar size gasser at 3000 rpm. Thus longer wear and better fuel economy. Costs a lot of money, just to make noise.

I had a 1985 Chevy 3/4 with 6.2 diesel. Turned 1800 rpm at 60 mph. It would climb the same hill at 60 mph with 3000 lbs in box as my 350 gas would. Difference was diesel was giving close to 30 mpg while gas was around 17 mpg. Everyone remarked about how quiet it was, they were even more surprised that I got close to 500,000 miles on that engine. Truck rusted out, diesel is still going in another truck, unless it blew up in past 6 months.

That idle after start up in morning, diesel pickup is designed to idle fast until warm up. The idle is still quite noisy regardless. They don't need to be on road, that is the buyers and dealers that order them in. Those guys are the stupid bunch. You go in and try to spec out a diesel pickup turning 1650 rpm at 60 mph. It's a painful experience.

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Les

07-14-2004 21:28:12




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 Re: Thanks for all the response in reply to buck, 07-14-2004 19:34:57  
Those big rigs going by are probably turning around 1300 RPM, there exhaust is about 12 feet off the ground, and most of them have twin stacks. The pickups are turning 1800 to 2500 RPM and the exhaust pipe is a about one foot from the ground, so maybe that has something to do with it.



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Wayne

07-14-2004 21:27:06




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 Re: Thanks for all the response in reply to buck, 07-14-2004 19:34:57  
Hey again Buck. On most road tractors the exhaust stacks point straight up which is gonna carry most of the noise out and over you instead of directly into your line of travel like a vehicle with the pipe pointing out the side or out the back is gonna do. The biggest reason though is the same as one of the answers to the other question....it's a "mating call". There aren't many aftermarket parts available for the exhaust on the bigger trucks, so they pretty much are sticking with factory installed systems. For that matter when you get into the larger systems just about all the mfgs use Donaldson, Riker, etc which are the "aftermarket" suppliers too. There are so many aftermarket parts available for the smaller vehicles though that you never know what they might have on them. Just know that if it's that loud it probably doesn't have a stock exhaust system. Just like a new Harley, they aren't loud from the factory, the riders/drivers make them that way....Just my .02 again....

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Mike(Wi)

07-15-2004 07:22:18




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 Re: Re: Thanks for all the response in reply to Wayne, 07-14-2004 21:27:06  
I was going to mention the exhaust on the bigger rigs ponting up as well, but you beat me to it. That does make a big difference.

Must be some sort of mating call or attention getting thing with some people.

I do not mind the diesel trucks so much, but I AM D--- SICK AND TIRED OF ALL THAT )*^(*&%* NOISE FROM HARLEY DAVIDSONS. They go to added expense to put straight pipes on those things, and they are really annoying.

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Mark - IN.

07-15-2004 19:13:04




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 Re: Re: Re: Thanks for all the response in reply to Mike(Wi), 07-15-2004 07:22:18  
Mike, my '79 FL has 32" drags on it. Had 36", but with the 103" stroker, wasn't loud enough. And at that, the 1-3/4"er's didn't get it either, so I went to 2-1/4's, but believe it or not, the 2-1/4's are quieter. But, when I'm near anyone, I do go up a couple of gears and lug the heck out of the motor to quiet things down. Also don't wear a helmet, even when going up into Michigan. Everything else I own has mufflers on it though, tractors, trucks, and if my girlfriend gets to compaining too much, so does she.

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