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Mike

07-11-2004 18:48:02




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I am considering expanding my feedlot. The lot i have is large enough for about 100 Cattle, right now we have about 20 feeders and 20 brut cows and a bull. Cows and bull are registered angus. Have had a few other breeds around before, limosine, herferd. Was wondering what everyones opioion of the best breed of cattle for a feedlot is. PROFITABILITY and QUALITY meat are number one conserens. Also, if anyone has formulas for daily gain for cattle on ground corn mix feed i would appreiciate it. We figure someware about 75-80 bushel of corn to feed from 500 to finish. Is this right? Any help appreciated. Thanks in advance, Mike

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Del

07-13-2004 17:19:41




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 Re: Feedlot Cattle in reply to Mike, 07-11-2004 18:48:02  
I've been told that some of the large feedlot operate on a $10 to$20 profit margain per head. $10 X 25,000 head times a 2.5 to 3.0 turn around per year is a sizeable chunk of change.($650,000 or so ). $10 X 100 head = . They usually have the feed booked, (sometimes paid for) all the risks figured in, and the carcass sold on the other in before the feeder is even ordered.



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mike

07-13-2004 20:30:27




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 Re: Re: Feedlot Cattle in reply to Del, 07-13-2004 17:19:41  
From what i have heard, the larger feedlots make less per head, but the higher volume makes up for it. by the time they figure their hired labor, that is all they can make. On the family farm though, things seem to be different- me and the wife. Makes a difference. Labor is the most expensive thing youll ever buy. period.



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John A.

07-11-2004 20:47:29




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 Re: Feedlot Cattle in reply to Mike, 07-11-2004 18:48:02  
Mike, Depends on where you are located! If you are North of Kansas's North State line You do not want any Brahmans or Brahmans X cattle . They can't take the winters up there. South then By all means You need some ear on those cattle. My personal favorites are... F1 Tigerstriped mamas...(Hereford x Brahmans) crossed to a Black Limmy bull. This 3 way cross animal will , and can go to any Yard from The Rio Grande to Greely, Co.
Farther North and ya'll will have to loose the Brahman influence, for the thin skinned outfits will just freeze to death, so to speak. I would think that a Hereford x Charolais mama X to a Black Limmy would be a good starting place to look at.
I am a Cow/Calf man, They leaves my place at about 550 lbs. The stocker guys I know in the Panhandle of Texas prefer this sort of cross, The guy in the yards like them for the feed well, and have few problems. The packers like this sort of a cross because , they fit in the box (packing box) right. I wont comment on feeding for that isn't my gig.
Hope this helps,
Later,
John A.

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Coloken

07-11-2004 20:42:57




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 Re: Feedlot Cattle in reply to Mike, 07-11-2004 18:48:02  
If one breed was more profitable than an other, buyers would give more for the feeders and even things out. Judge the animal against its cost. Feeding is for experts or the very brave or very rich wanting to play. What you are asking is a life time of experience and then you would still be learning. Don't give up your day job. A 75 year old cow man, Kenny



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kyhayman

07-11-2004 20:08:19




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 Re: Feedlot Cattle in reply to Mike, 07-11-2004 18:48:02  
Operating a cattle feedlot can be a brutal business. Cattle feeding is dominated by several major players in the TX/KS/CO area with multi thousand head yards and by small, independent operators (1000 head or so) in the midwest up through the Dakotas. It is brutal to try to compete with them on margins alone.

While a crossbred animal (Angus or Hereford crossed on Charolais/Simmental/limo/etc) give you hybrid vigor if you have to freight them in from parts unknown death loss and shipping will soon eat into feed efficiency.

Depending on finish weight, 80 bu of corn (56#*80) or 4480# plus protein suppliment could finish them. If you are finishing at 900# thats about a 10:1 feed to gain conversion. If you are finishing at 1150 it would take poultry like efficiency to do it.

I've retained ownership of cattle through the feed lot, fed out my own, sold off the cow, and sold off of backgrounding. For me, the cost wasnt worth the risk. Best year I ever had feeding cattle, margins were positive (fall to spring), had a feed cost under $90 a ton, ADG's better than 2.8 and I still only neted about $30.00 a head clear over had I simple sold off the cow. If I had a thousand head thats pretty good money, with 30 head it wasnt worth doing. I either needed to get big or get out. When I got into that size I'd have some death loss and some vet bills that I didnt have on my own steers. That gets into profit in a hurry. Then my normal paranoia sets in, one of my friends had 1700 steers weighing right at 1150 when the mad cow scare hit back in Dec, no futures position to cover his down side.

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Mike

07-12-2004 20:38:43




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 Re: Re: Feedlot Cattle in reply to kyhayman, 07-11-2004 20:08:19  
Thanks for your help guys. I live in southwestern ohio. on our smaller operations, we make a little (quite a bit) more than 30 dollars a head. Feeders last spring, 2003, were about 200 dollars a head. some guys figure more, some less.



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thurlow

07-13-2004 06:30:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Feedlot Cattle in reply to kyhayman, 07-12-2004 21:05:21  
Lots of ways to "keep books".....neighbor has taught school for 38 years; also farmed a little.....a few head of cattle, about 30 acres of soybeans. A few years ago, when beans prices had bottomed out and we were in the middle of an extended drought, he was telling me that he only cleared about $50 per acre on his soybeans. Farmers (including myself) were breaking even at best and most of us were losing money on each acre planted. I asked the neighbor how much he was charging to labor, management, depreciation, interest, etc. NOTHING, as it turned out.....

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