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Still fixin' cracked block...Heard of Blue Devil?

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George Holmes

07-03-2004 06:11:27




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Tried to weld block crack in Fergus yesterday re: earlier post, no joy. Local Auto Value swears by a product called "Blue Devil", expensive, but guaranteed to work of money back. Anybody know anything about it?

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George H




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Ron

07-04-2004 04:08:37




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 Re: Still fixin' cracked block...Heard of Blue Dev in reply to George Holmes, 07-03-2004 06:11:27  
Unless you are going to be selling the tractor as soon as you get it running, forget the "sealers". Results, if any, are temporary. So what if they refund the purchase price. Who cares? Your tractor is still broke.

The success of any repair is going to be based on where the crack is and who fixes it. If the crack is in a place that is under a lot of thermal stress, it will have to be welded by a certified welder with plenty of experience in cast iron block repair. If small enough, a good weld might do it. Let the welder tell you.

If the crack is quite large, the block is toast. Sure, you can heat them in an oven, weld them, remachine the entire block, and rebuild the engine but it would likley be cheaper to buy another tractor.

Small cracks in non-stressed areas can and have been fixed by epoxies. I like JB Weld. The crack must be cleaned with brake cleaner, must be perfectly dry, and the instructions on the JB must be followed to the letter.

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RAB

07-03-2004 23:04:09




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 Re: Still fixin' cracked block...Heard of Blue Dev in reply to George Holmes, 07-03-2004 06:11:27  
Of course we have no idea exactly where the crack is and how bad, but have you considered having it metal stitched? This type of repair is often easy to do (or get done) and makes a good permanent job. The more poor welding attempts that are made, the less likely a good outcome will follow.
Regards, RAB



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Mark - IN.

07-03-2004 20:30:04




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 Re: Still fixin' cracked block...Heard of Blue Dev in reply to George Holmes, 07-03-2004 06:11:27  
George, I caught part of your ealier post. The first thing that went through my mind was that there are probably impurities around the crack (fluid, dirt, etc). And as long as they're there, nothing's going to stick right. One person made a suggetion of drying the block (good idea), but went awry when said something to the nature of "putting it in the fire, or fire pit, whatever" - very bad idea unless align boring and other machining are part of your plan to try and correct the warping that will occur, and I read no further. Welding by a talented welder (not me) could work, but in any event, it aint going to work until you have a clean block to work with. Check with a large engine rebuilder that can "hot tank" your block for you to get it clean, and then go from there. And I don't know that they'd be willing to give up any of their secrets, but try contacting an engine remanufacturer such as Jasper (probably have a website to boot), and ask them for tips on a crack, afterall, metal is metal is metal, and what applies to truck or car steel can apply to tractors as well - make sure they know what it's for so they don't get offended by their perception of you taking their work. I don't believe that I'd ask them about Blue Devil, Liquid Solder, or anything other than "done right the first time" - Afterall, one can go out every year and buy a new leaf rake for $1, or go out and get the $20 job that last's a lifetime. - Mark Krzyzanowski

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John

07-03-2004 06:36:21




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 Re: Still fixin' cracked block...Heard of Blue Dev in reply to George Holmes, 07-03-2004 06:11:27  
I have used blue devil in my 94 Pontiac Bonneville for a leaky heater core. It was 5 hours labor plus evac AC system and recharge. My heater core had a stream leaking on the floor of the car. Blue devil fixed the leak, I only had to use half a can. Yes they will gauarantee it to work. But its best if the crack is not a huge one. I know of a large used car dealer here that uses it in used cars that have head gaskets and intake leaks before they take it to a auction. By the way I did not have any plugging of my heater core or radiator.

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Not Yet

07-03-2004 13:36:45




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 Re: Re: Still fixin' cracked block...Heard of Blue in reply to John, 07-03-2004 06:36:21  
Not yet John, just wait. Such "snake oil" products have ruined a many a good engine and cooling systems.



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George H

07-04-2004 07:51:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Still fixin' cracked block...Heard of in reply to Not Yet, 07-03-2004 13:36:45  
Thanks for all the advice, folks. I too think getting it done right is the way to go, that's why I had the best welder around attempt the fix. I had talked to local machine shop, they recommended JB Weld. Problem was, system bled into repair, hence the cleanup and weld effort. I think imputurities was the issue. I've got $800 in this TEA-20, and hesitate to put too much more in it. Guess the answer isn't clear, yet. Don't want to sell the problem, either, so, I'll keep looking.

Again, appreciate the help

George

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