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Turtle

06-24-2004 11:36:27




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What is the differance in a Farmall 504 and a International 504? Thanks in advance to help in my ignorance.




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Puller504

06-25-2004 03:19:46




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 Re: International vs Farmall in reply to Turtle, 06-24-2004 11:36:27  
Hi Turtle! I have experience with both Farmall and International 504's. (30 years of it). One interesting fact that no one has mentioned is the different ground speeds of the gears between a Row Crop and Utility model 504. The Row Crop 504 is slower with taller tires and adjustable rear tread width wheels. 2nd gear on a utility model is roughly equal in speed to 3rd gear on a Row Crop tractor. The lower center of gravity on a utility makes it more stable on hills and for use with a front loader. If properly hitched to the swinging drawbar, a Row Crop model would flip over backwards first due to the fact that the drawbar is higher! E-Mail me if you'd like further questions answered. Don

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Jimmy King

06-24-2004 11:47:08




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 Re: International vs Farmall in reply to Turtle, 06-24-2004 11:36:27  
A Farmall is a row crop, or the model that you have to climb up two steps to get on. An International is a Utility step onto foot board one step and swing your foot over to other foot board froth axle is swept back on utility, straight on farmall. International is shorter over all, not as tall, always a wide front farmall can be wide or narrow it is personal preferance I hate utilitys ride rougher, hotter, and dirtery.

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Dan in wisconsin

06-24-2004 14:01:44




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 Re: Re: International vs Farmall in reply to Jimmy King, 06-24-2004 11:47:08  
I always figured a utility would be better in hill country do to the lower center of gravity thus making it less likely to roll. Yes-No? I can't speak from experience as I've not owned anything but row crop and live in pretty much flat ground. Looking for the voices of experience to set me straight.



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moonlite

06-24-2004 19:52:36




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 Re: Re: Re: International vs Farmall in reply to Dan in wisconsin, 06-24-2004 14:01:44  
The old farmall tractors were used in the woods for logging and were seldom overturned sideways. The utlilties were more prone to overturn backwards because in most cases were shorter. Stability is largely determined by traction and the condition of the brakes. I have been driving tricycle Farmalls for 50 years and feel as safe on my old M as I do on my 574 utility or my 986. In my estimation the most dangerous thing about the old Farmalls such as the M was the location of the PTO so close to the seat and the seat has no back on it. I have oftentimes wondered what would happen if one was dragged off the seat by a low limb while pulling a rotary cutter. Very dangerous.

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Pitch

06-25-2004 03:49:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: International vs Farmall in reply to moonlite, 06-24-2004 19:52:36  
Moonlite, There was some chick flick on a coupla years ago the missus was watchin. Young buck was discin with an old farmall and was swept of the seat by a limb into the disc. Suprised the heck out of me seems at least one Hollywood writer has his roots in the real world.



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UFO Man

06-24-2004 17:14:12




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 Re: Re: Re: International vs Farmall in reply to Dan in wisconsin, 06-24-2004 14:01:44  
Depends on what you're using it for.



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John Ne.

06-24-2004 17:57:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: International vs Farmall in reply to UFO Man, 06-24-2004 17:14:12  
International tractors on a 1960 IHC brochure I have are industrial and "wheatland" tractors, wide front with non adjustable rear wheels. And like he said, Farmall, were the row crop tractors, basically with narrow fronts and adjustable rear wheel width. Lower center of gravity, perhaps, but the difference between roll center between the two, couldnt' be more than a couple of degrees before the LOOKOUT point. John in Nebr.

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steveormary

06-24-2004 20:18:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: International vs Farmall in reply to John Ne., 06-24-2004 17:57:31  
turtle

I had a Farmall 706 ger deisel and an International 656 gaso. They both had gear drive and adjustable wide front end.

steve



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