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OT- axle placement on trailer

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jimNCal

06-18-2004 18:25:20




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I need advice as to the proper placement/location of the axles on a dual axle trailer. I bought it for next to nothing and it was set up to haul a BIG camper at the rear so the axles are at the back. All I really wanted was the trailer so I sold the camper and now I need to slide the axles forward so the trailer can be used for what I need it for. (hauling tractors!) BUT. To what point? I plan to pull it with a Dodge Dakota 4wd with tow package. Do I just measure for center and set them back? How much? Do I need to concentrate on hitch weight only? HELP!
Thanks in advance.

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T_Bone

06-19-2004 22:54:32




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 Re: OT- axle placement on trailer in reply to jimNCal, 06-18-2004 18:25:20  
Hi Jim,

The rule of thumb is 66% of total trailer length to center line of axle(s). Example; If you had a 20ft tandum axle trailer then from the center of the pin to the center line of alxes would be 13ft 2.5". Remember since you have tandum axles then axle center line would be 1/2 the distance between the axles.

This works well for most vechiles as well for most dead load weight. On bumper pull trailers you want to keep 12% to 15% tongue weight or you'll induce trailer sway.

However your talking rolling load weight with hauling tractors and it would be very easy to get too light of tongue weight depending on the load weight placement, on a typical trailer axle placement of 66%.

The futher back the alxes are placed from the pin the more forgiving of rolling load deck placement in requards to trailer sway. The trailer will pull alot better. This creates another problem of having too much tongue weight (TW) for some tow vechiles, your apparent problem. If you would scale the TW on your existing alxe placement you might be surprised that you may not have to move the axles depending on where you place the load on the deck.

You can use a bathroom scale to check TW. You need a horizontial 4x4 x 36" or longer. This will support the tongue weight. More tongue weight= a heavier support

Set one end of the 4x4 on a block( thick as the scale height) 1ft from the center of tongue pin/ball/coupler.

Set the "center" of scale 2ft from the center of tongue the other end of the 4x4.

Apply Tongue weight to the 4x4. Read weight on scale.
Multiply the scale reading by 3 and this is your tongue weight.

Scale reads off the scale dial? Increase the 2ft distance to 3ft then multiply by 4 and this would be your tongue weight.

You have to multiply by the total horizontal center distance in feet between the scale and the ground support block.

The 1ft dimension never changes.

Only the dimension from the center of scale to the center of hitch pin changes. This can be any length for any given tongue weight but remember to always multiply the total feet between ground support and center line of the scale

For this method to be accurate, your measurements must be exactly "centers" of 1ft and 2ft for a 3ft total spread between supports.

Do not forget to block the trailer wheels.

A class III receiver = 5000lbs max GVW
Class IV = 10000lbs max GVW
Class V = 14500lbs max GVW

From what I've seen of the mfg receivers, do not abuse the maximum GVWR.

T_Bone

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thurlow

06-19-2004 17:02:05




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 Re: OT- axle placement on trailer in reply to jimNCal, 06-18-2004 18:25:20  
Don't know if the archives search is still down; this has been discussed extensively over on one of the other boards (the tool board)????.....by T_Bone and others.....



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Mark - IN.

06-19-2004 10:59:44




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 Re: OT- axle placement on trailer in reply to jimNCal, 06-18-2004 18:25:20  
Does that factory towing package include a Class III frame mounted hitch? I'm sure you're not gonna try stopping or pulling it with a bumper hitch, right? Dakotas are nice little trucks to begin with. The key, is little.



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jimNCal

06-19-2004 18:25:15




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 Re: Re: OT- axle placement on trailer in reply to Mark - IN., 06-19-2004 10:59:44  
Class III all the way. I wouldn't trust a 16 ga. bumper with bike carrier. I'm not as concerned with the truck's ability to pull and stop the trailer as I am the possibility of incorrect balance whipping me all over the road once I get to 45. I've had this truck 12 years and I am well aware of what it will and won't do. I don't take chances and this rig is for local trips only. . Better slow and late than tow and pay.

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mj

06-19-2004 08:41:07




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 Re: OT- axle placement on trailer in reply to jimNCal, 06-18-2004 18:25:20  
Ditto on BFarrs' 60/40....you can adjust the tongue weight by moving the tractor fore and aft, backing it on, etc. I've used my '93 Dakota 4wd to haul 3000# tractors on a 2900# (empty weight) trailer (5900# total) and it was okay....just don't get carried away with it and make sure your trailer brakes are good and adjusted right....the same load feels MUCH better with my old K-20 Chevy!



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jimNCal

06-19-2004 10:19:01




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 Re: Re: OT- axle placement on trailer in reply to mj, 06-19-2004 08:41:07  
Thanks to all. I'll go to the site and use it as a base to follow all your advice. I think a couple of trips to my local public scale with AND without the tractor on is going to be the order of the day.
Thanks again,
jim



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Jack in Fla

06-19-2004 06:23:19




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 Re: OT- axle placement on trailer in reply to jimNCal, 06-18-2004 18:25:20  
Jim, when I built trailers, I alwasys put the axel back from center of trailer 1 ince for every foot of length, (If trailer is 18 feet long, go from center back 18 inches, and put center of axels). worked out real well for me. Be careful with that small truck

Jack



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Ron

06-19-2004 03:35:51




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 Re: OT- axle placement on trailer in reply to jimNCal, 06-18-2004 18:25:20  
You want the tongue weight to be 10%-15% of the total loaded weight of the trailer. This gets very tricky with tractors as they are very back-end heavy, especially with weighted tires. Pros back tractors onto trailers so take that into account when you set the axles. This might take some trial and error and a couple of trips to a scale to get right. This is especially critical with such a light tow vehicle.

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Shane

06-18-2004 22:19:05




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 Re: OT- axle placement on trailer in reply to jimNCal, 06-18-2004 18:25:20  
Did I read right? You are gonna pull a trailer with a tractor using a Dakota? Hope ya got good life insurance, sounds kinda risky to me!



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jimNCal

06-19-2004 10:14:14




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 Re: Re: OT- axle placement on trailer in reply to Shane, 06-18-2004 22:19:05  
I don't believe in life insurance much. I'm talking small tractors here. Just need to get them to more visable places to sell locally or to the repair shop when I'm not capable. I have a big flatbed that would even carry them but I can hear the gas money flying away even starting it!
Anyway. You'd be hard pressed to find someone more cautious than me.



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IanC

06-18-2004 19:10:46




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 Re: OT- axle placement on trailer in reply to jimNCal, 06-18-2004 18:25:20  
Go to Dexter Axles web site. They have an illustrated formula, as well as other good information.



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BFarr

06-18-2004 18:48:22




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 Re: OT- axle placement on trailer in reply to jimNCal, 06-18-2004 18:25:20  
When I build my last trailer I researched several sources and they seem to agree that 60-40 was the ratio to be followed. The center of the axles should be 60% back from the front (measured at the bed not including the tongue). When I did this on an oversize dual axle trailer it had a bit more tongue weight than I liked but too light would be more of a problem



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