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Jonathan

06-17-2004 14:16:37

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I'm hoping that somebody could kindly point in the direction of a storage building/machine shed builder. I'm thinking of one of those metal kits, but my eyes are open, all I know is I need something to keep the weather off my tractors and equipment, and I guess I'd like something I could lock up so I wouldn't have to worry quite so much about people stealing parts or messing with my equipment. I don't think I want a concrete floor, although it would be awful nice, but unless I heat it in the winter or pour it really really thick, it will all be broken up by frost and thats no good. I also get quite alittle snow, so it would have to be sturdy enough to withstand a snow load (if it gets really bad I'll shovel it off, but I don't want to have to get up there after every time it snows). I'd like a machine shed like all the farmers have with big sliding doors, I'd like big garage doors, but I understand those are quite pricy. I'm looking for possibly a building kit that is nice, but doesn't cost a fortune, would anybody know who might make a kit like I described.
Thanks in advance!.

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Mark Krzyzanowski - IN.

06-17-2004 21:06:48

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Re: Storage buildings?? in reply to Jonathan, 06-17-2004 14:16:37

Personally, I like wood, but then no one's ever accused me of being a rocket scientist. The nice thing about steel pole buildings, they can grow if you need - off comes the back, you go out another 10, 10, 10, etc, put the back on again, if you have the land. You can do a google-search or whatever you have to work with for "steel pole buildings", there are companies out there that have "specials" (cancelled orders) that are $$$ less than original so they can get out of inventory.

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Ray,IN

06-17-2004 20:46:58

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Re: Storage buildings?? in reply to Jonathan, 06-17-2004 14:16:37

Chech out blitzbuilders.com I think that is the address anyway, I received a quote for a building last fall and it was slightly more than a kit around home. The company is located down South and they have representatives in most every state. You complete a form on thier website and the rep will contact you for details.

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Bill Drew

06-17-2004 17:46:05

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Re: Storage buildings?? in reply to Jonathan, 06-17-2004 14:16:37

If snow is an issue, you don't want doors in the sides of a building with a tin roof. When it gets warm (~20F) the snow slides off hitting the ground after a 10-12' drop to form compacted ice. The only thing to park behind a door like that is equipment that can chew its way out.

Had a 63x30x10' pole barn put up a couple of years ago. A five man crew got it up in under two days. None of the local builders would even consider putting a bid against the guys who did that job day-after-day.

Some photos of construction at Link

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Jonathan

06-17-2004 19:04:10

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Re: Re: Storage buildings?? in reply to Bill Drew, 06-17-2004 17:46:05

Thats just about what I was thinking I'd like. I don't mean to sound nosey or rude, but how much did that cost?.
Thanks alot!.

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Bill Drew

06-18-2004 13:27:47

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Re: Re: Re: Storage buildings?? in reply to Jonathan, 06-17-2004 19:04:10

63x30x10' was $11,400 (fall of 2002) plus the cost of leveling. Might put a floor in it some day, but probably won't. One 12' sliding door in each end, one 8' overhead door, and one service door. No windows - that will pop up the price.

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dhermesc

06-18-2004 08:33:16

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Re: Re: Re: Storage buildings?? in reply to Jonathan, 06-17-2004 19:04:10

See my post below. I found a crew in Oklahoma that could put up a 30X40X10 building for less then I could buy the kit from Sutherlands and put it up myself. With colored tin and 2X6 trusses on 5' centers (kit building where 2X4 trusses on 4' centers) it ran about $5800. That came with sky lights (I have them mounted in the walls), one 10' door and one service door. Other contractors in my area where about $8500+.

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Stan(PA)

06-17-2004 16:22:28

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Re: Storage buildings?? in reply to Jonathan, 06-17-2004 14:16:37

Mine is 30x40 pole barn construction. It's built with treated 4x6 posts, rough cut hemlock siding, and trusses on the roof. My floor is poured concrete, 4 inch thick, and the building is unheated. The floor will hold up fine, if you have a solid base. I had to have 23 loads of gravel brought in, and tamped every 4 inches. It was built on a pretty good slope, hence all the gravel.

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rustyfarmall

06-17-2004 16:18:53

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Re: Storage buildings?? in reply to Jonathan, 06-17-2004 14:16:37

If you want to do it yourself, Menards has some really nice packages, or Lowes, Home depot, etc. If you are going to hire it built, then you may as well go with something like Cleary, as Ron suggested. Others to consider would be Butler, Wick, and a bunch of others that I can't remember right now. There may even be a few local builders in your area that could do a good job for you. You don't need to build the whole thing all at once, the concrete floor can be added later, as well as the overhead garage doors. You will want to put up the sliding doors however. I am not sure I understand your concerns with the concrete floor and freezing weather. It gets very cold where I live, my building is 36'x 60', full concrete floor, and is not heated except for when I am out there, which is not very often when it is cold, and my floor is as good now as when it was poured, 5 years ago.

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dhermesc

06-18-2004 05:56:56

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Re: Re: Storage buildings?? in reply to rustyfarmall, 06-17-2004 16:18:53

A&C Builders
1-800-889-1096
30X40X10
1 sliding door, 1 entry door, 4 Skylights Poles 5X5, 10' On Center
Rafters 2X6, 2X4 Braces, 2X6 Joist, 5' on Center
29 Gauge Metal, Choice of Colors
Total Labor, Material, and delivery��5,795.00

Nailed on tin (Rough estimate to screw on the roof $150)

These guys are located in Oklahoma and they travel around a lot, but I think Vermont might be stretching it a bit. I've seen their work and was impressed enough to order one - they set it in early July.

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Jonathan

06-17-2004 16:40:50

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Re: Re: Storage buildings?? in reply to rustyfarmall, 06-17-2004 16:18:53

Frost raises heck with everything around here, including the paved roads. Thats why concrete needs to be poured thick otherwise it will get all busted and pushed up.

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Gary

06-18-2004 03:59:29

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Re: Re: Re: Storage buildings?? in reply to Jonathan, 06-17-2004 16:40:50

It won't if it has the proper sub-base.

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Ron

06-17-2004 15:32:44

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Re: Storage buildings?? in reply to Jonathan, 06-17-2004 14:16:37

See Link

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Jonathan

06-17-2004 16:42:07

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Re: Re: Storage buildings?? in reply to Ron, 06-17-2004 15:32:44

Those do look nice, but I noticed there isn't a dealer anywhere near here.
Thanks!.

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dhermesc

06-17-2004 14:26:39

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Re: Storage buildings?? in reply to Jonathan, 06-17-2004 14:16:37

Where you located?

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Jonathan

06-17-2004 16:37:42

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Re: Re: Storage buildings?? in reply to dhermesc, 06-17-2004 14:26:39

Northeren Vermont

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KJM

06-17-2004 19:19:23

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Re: Re: Re: Storage buildings?? in reply to Jonathan, 06-17-2004 16:37:42

I am looking at a bid right now 40x60x16 with 14ft doors and insulation,I almost forgot the 60ft x 15ft lean to 17,200.00 plus tax.

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Ron

06-17-2004 19:14:41

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Re: Re: Re: Storage buildings?? in reply to Jonathan, 06-17-2004 16:37:42

As far as the concrete goes like the other people said, It will hold up as long as it is poured on a good base, packed gravel is best (for good drainage under the slab). You should use 1/2 in. rebar at a min. of two feet on center and it should NOT be poured like soup( pouring soup will lead to a lot of cracks and flaking of the top. it should be no less then 4 in.thick, 6 in. for heavy mach. It should also be cut with a saw in to squares no more than 10x10 feet. I pour a lot of it in Minnesota (for a living) you will be fine. Good luck from a fellow northerner.

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Gary

06-18-2004 04:02:15

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Storage buildings?? in reply to Ron, 06-17-2004 19:14:41

Using rebar every 2' is the same as not using it at all. 1' on center both directions minimum.

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Roger

06-17-2004 21:26:23

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Storage buildings?? in reply to Ron, 06-17-2004 19:14:41

Straying from topic but Questions for Ron. I need to pour a floor in a 24 X48 barn with a low perimeter foundation wall which will be 12 inches higher than the floor inside.. 1) should there be expansion material between the slab & foundation wall? ie if the slab expands on hot St Louis summer, does it push out against the walls and question 2) is it common practice to put down a vapor barrier? I thought it was but no one I've asked ever heard of such a thing. If so, should the vapor barrier be under the slab or under the compacted gravel base?
Thanks in advance.

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Ron

06-19-2004 07:58:54

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Storage buildings?? in reply to Roger, 06-17-2004 21:26:23

Hi Roger, My local building code says poly or vapor barrier is not req. under concrete if it is not living space. It is not a bad idea though and it goes on top of the gravel, Morton buildings req. me to put it under their floors. As far as expansion I am not sure about your building codes it may be nessary, Most dont use it along walls in a building that is not living space and it is not code here. Check your local building codes and use them to decide.

1ft OC. rebar is not needed unless you have very large machinery on it like loaded semi's. Remember this is a shop floor not an interstate. Make sure to drill in to the wall and run the ends of the rebar in to the holes at least 4in.

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06-18-2004 09:58:04

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Storage buildings?? in reply to Roger, 06-17-2004 21:26:23

Hey Roger, Looks like nobody else is going to reply to your question, so I will... Local building codes (western US) call for minimum 1" thick rigid styrofoam insulation on the INSIDE of foundation walls (must extend down to the footing) when you're pouring a concrete floor. My guess is that it is supposed to provide a thermal break and some degree of "give" for expansion. I built a family room addition on our house... was a bit skeptical when I first learned of the requirement, but everything turned out great! As far as the vapor barrier, I used 6 mil poly on top of the compacted base for the floor in the family room... made the 'crete easier to handle (didn't dry out so fast) and ensured there was no moisture problems with the floor once finished. we put carpet directly on top of the concrete floor and had no problems with it! Also, I helped a friend build a shop last year... we poured a 1200 sq ft mono-slab in a single pour... he was glad I talked him into using the vapor barrier... we barely were able to get the floor finished before it set up too much with the barrier... there would've been no way to do it without the barrier! Locally, a 2000 sq ft roll of 6 mil poly runs about $40.00... it's the best money you'll EVER spend!!!

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