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Jack

06-17-2004 09:29:36

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How much of a slope will a tractor take before it rolls over on its side? I have an Allis Chalmers WD 45 with narrow front and flipped it onto its side the other day. That was due to stupidity--heavy load on the front end loader was off center and started to sway while I was turning--and I had the rear wheels spun in 'cause I had just taken it off a narrow trailer.

Now I have the wheels back where they should be and have learned to keep loads centered in the bucket, but every time I drive the tractor on anything but flat land I feel like it could go over on me again. Am I being paranoid?

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Davis In SC

06-18-2004 09:44:14

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Re: Tractor roll-over in reply to Jack, 06-17-2004 09:29:36

Has anyone purchased an aftermarket ROPS for their tractor(s) ?? I have never priced one, but would like to install one on my MF 245. I have heard the tractor makers sell them at cost, to help out with the safety & liability issues. Regards, Davis

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joe

06-18-2004 19:53:41

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Re: Re: Tractor roll-over in reply to Davis In SC, 06-18-2004 09:44:14

praise to God you weren't hurt

i've thought about a rops for my ford 4000 row crop
i farm on a good sized hill.

is a selt belt safe on a tractor, i know a guy who hit a loose shoulder on a road and the tractor rolled literal into the ditch he wasn't going fast on the account he was meeting someone in another veichle on the road so he jumped left and forward and got off in time. a seat belt would not have given him enough time, aye?

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06-18-2004 10:42:56

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Re: Re: Tractor roll-over in reply to Davis In SC, 06-18-2004 09:44:14

I bought one for my 20 year old JD from a JD dealer. I also found a web site at one time listing several aftermarket ROPS suppliers for multiple brands of tractors, but I don't remember the web site. You might do some searching for ROPS or "roll over protection structures" and see if you can find it. It listed different models and the prices.

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06-18-2004 05:09:47

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Re: Tractor roll-over in reply to Jack, 06-17-2004 09:29:36

You are not being paranoid. And you should be concerned. If you do a google search for tractor rollover, you will find many reports of such with injurys and deaths. If I remember correctly, there are over 100 deaths every year due to rollovers. And I am sure none of those felt it would ever happen to them. If you can get a ROPS to fit your tractor, do it. You may not be so lucky next time.

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Davis In SC

06-17-2004 21:59:58

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Re: Tractor roll-over in reply to Jack, 06-17-2004 09:29:36

I grew up on tractors & never worried much about turning them over, I just used my best judgement, & was lucky, I guess.... A few years ago, a friend bought a little 4100 JD, & I did some stuff with it... I never knew a tractor could be so unstable. It never turned over, but several times it almost did on the smallest inclines. It amazes me that more accidents don't happen on those "oversized lawnmowers"..

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Steve450

06-18-2004 10:06:33

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Re: Re: Tractor roll-over in reply to Davis In SC, 06-17-2004 21:59:58

Amen to the JD 4100 !!!! My buddy has one with a loader and it is the most miserable thing to try to work with. Very unstable. We try to do alot more than we should with it as it is our only loader right now. He is talking about selling it and getting a real loader tractor.

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Davis In SC

06-19-2004 19:03:58

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Re: Re: Re: Tractor roll-over in reply to Steve450, 06-18-2004 10:06:33

This one has a loader, too That is what makes it so dangerous.. One guy was using it to move gravel, & it started to turn over, lucky for him , there was a tree that the ROPS hit & held it. We managed to keep it from turning over... The worst thing about tiny tractors is that they are almost always purchased by people with little or no experience, that makes them even more dangerous.For instance, they cannot understand why you should travel with the bucket lowered... I have tried to explain, but I might as well be trying to teach a pig to sing.....

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joe

06-19-2004 19:33:36

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Tractor roll-over in reply to Davis In SC, 06-19-2004 19:03:58

pigs fly and cows sing the bl(m)oos before the average american learns when he is told and not latter after he experiances it himself,
[even me]

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Allan in NE

06-18-2004 04:31:21

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Re: Re: Tractor roll-over in reply to Davis In SC, 06-17-2004 21:59:58

Mornin' Mr. Davis,

Just reading thru this thread reminds me how much we "forget" when it comes to these silly things.

We take 'em for granted and put it to the back of our minds that they can very easily kill a guy if he is not careful.

I'm gonna call the tire outfit this morning and have them come out & load a couple of tires for me. I've got an old H under a loader and live way up here in the hills.

Just too unpredictable and one never knows when she'll decide to "lean over".

Allan

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Sid

06-17-2004 19:35:16

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Re: Tractor roll-over in reply to Jack, 06-17-2004 09:29:36

MY dad was plowing with a WD along an old fence row and the left rear wheel ran over a big rock and laid it over.

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Carp

06-17-2004 17:28:48

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Re: Tractor roll-over in reply to Jack, 06-17-2004 09:29:36

I have loaded quite a few spreader loads of the smelly stuff with a WD with a front loader. I only have a few pieces of advise. One, put more weight on the back if you can. Two, do not turn the front wheels sharp with a load. This puts the front axle off center and also takes away what stability the front wheels gave you. Think of it as standing straddle a teeter totter. Third, keep the load as low to the ground as possible until you have to go up with it. Forth, use first gear, slower is better with a full bucket.

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Tommy D6-8U

06-17-2004 16:59:45

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Re: Tractor roll-over in reply to Jack, 06-17-2004 09:29:36

Jack,

You're not paranoid. You're reacting to this just like everyone else here would. You are much more aware of the stability of the tractor now. Probably was a bit unstable and you never paid any attention to it previously. If you're in an auto accident because someone ran a stop sign, you'll probably slow down at any in the future and check for anyone coming through!!

Get a ROPS and seat belt and be careful! Glad you are OK.

Tommy

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Indydirtfarmer

06-17-2004 14:23:19

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Re: Tractor roll-over in reply to Jack, 06-17-2004 09:29:36

There is no "magic formula" as to what angles a tractor can handle. It varies widely, with the tractor, the surface you're operating on, the load, speeds at which you're moving, tire pressures, and on and on..... ...
Narrow front tractors are inherantly dangerous with a loader on them. They are usable, but should be used with extreme caution. (Even in the hands of an experienced operator) That's not to say a wide front will not turn over, they will, just not as easy. Weight in the rear tires will help stabilize a load. A lower profile tire/wheel combination is safer too. All things being equal, I'd find a wide front, utility style tractor. Then add weight to it. Fluid in the rear tires. wheel weights, and/or a heavy impliment attached to the rear. Tractors, like any piece of power equipment, is dangerous if used incorrectly. They can be dangerous when used correctly sometimes. Don't push the limits. I hate reading about someone being killed in the prime of their life. In the end, there's nothing like THOUSANDS of hours of experience. John

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Ron

06-17-2004 11:01:57

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Re: Tractor roll-over in reply to Jack, 06-17-2004 09:29:36

Glad you weren't hurt and no, you are not being paranoid. A young boy was driving his tractor across an open field here, a front tire hit a small hole, flipped the tractor, and sadly he was killed. All this on ground as flat as a table top.

To answer your question, most tractors do very well going straight up and down small inclines. If you get them sideways, even a little, it gets ugly real fast.

My rule is this, if I get the slightest feeling it might be risky, I don't do it. Time is time. Getting killed is forever.

A suggestion. In addition to keeping load centered, the the bucket as low as you safely can. The suggestion to weight the tires is a good one too.

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john in la

06-17-2004 10:37:19

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Re: Tractor roll-over in reply to Jack, 06-17-2004 09:29:36

No offence but sounds Like you could use a ROPS and a seat belt.

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Bob in KY

06-18-2004 04:33:21

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Re: Re: Tractor roll-over in reply to john in la, 06-17-2004 10:37:19

What is an ROPS?

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06-18-2004 05:14:18

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Re: Re: Re: Tractor roll-over in reply to Bob in KY, 06-18-2004 04:33:21

ROPS is roll over protection structure or simply a roll bar. Most of the tractor manufacturers thru government urging have come up with ROPS to fit older tractors. Rollover deaths with ROPS and seatbelts are rare. Rollover without ROPS is almost guaranteed death, or at minimum serious injury.

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Allan in NE

06-17-2004 09:47:31

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Re: Tractor roll-over in reply to Jack, 06-17-2004 09:29:36

Hey Jack,

There's nothing paranoid about that.

One of my friends was killed last year on a 3020 with a loader.

Had an old car frame suspended up in the air. He backed into a hole and the whole rig upended, trappin him, & pushing the steering post thru his chest. Closest hill was probably 10 miles away.

Waddda think about filling those rear tires with some fluid to keep 'er on the ground?

Allan

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