Welcome! Please use the navigational links to explore our website.
PartsASAP LogoCompany Logo Auction Link (800) 853-2651

Shop Now

   Allis Chalmers Case Farmall IH Ford 8N,9N,2N Ford
   Ferguson John Deere Massey Ferguson Minn. Moline Oliver

Tractor Talk Discussion Forum

using epoxy to attach new brake linings

Welcome Guest, Log in or Register
Author 
jeffpapier

06-08-2004 08:23:45




Report to Moderator

I took the old linings off the brake shoes and tried the rivets out of the lining kit for fit. They are too short and too small a diameter>this is an old kit I got years ago for the tractor<. I want to get the brakes done and don't have time to hunt down the right size rivets. Any one use epoxy and what kind? The lings are a cut to length and drill your own rivet hole type.




[Log in to Reply]   [No Email]
Ryan

06-09-2004 11:49:53




Report to Moderator
 Re: using epoxy to attach new brake linings in reply to jeffpapier, 06-08-2004 08:23:45  
Not having time to find the right rivets is not as far fetched as some might think. I tried finding rivets when I was in a similiar situation and all the auto parts stores people look at you like you are from the moon! Big waste of time for a few rivets, especially when it is 15 miles away. I agree with the other posts, the internet would probably be beneficial in this case.

Ryan



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Ron

06-09-2004 01:25:31




Report to Moderator
 Re: using epoxy to attach new brake linings in reply to jeffpapier, 06-08-2004 08:23:45  
You don't have the time to hunt down the right rivets? Wow, that's truly scary.

Ignore any advice about using expoxies. J&B Weld, for example, burns off and turns into dust at 650F. The actual bonding adhesive used on all brakes and clutches is not an epoxy. It is a industrial bonding adhesive that is set by both pressure and heat and for those reasons is not available to the consumer. Once set, it retains its strength to beyond 2,000F, a temperature which is commonly seen in brakes and clutches.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Wayne

06-08-2004 20:18:51




Report to Moderator
 Re: using epoxy to attach new brake linings in reply to jeffpapier, 06-08-2004 08:23:45  
I know your in a hurry, but brakes are a safety item, and YOU CAN NEVER CUT CORNERS WHEN IT COMES TO SAFETY . You might not mind killing yourself, but what about the person you run into when the lining lets go and you can't stop your machine????? We do the lnings for the brake and clutch bands/shoes on cranes all the time and the rivets aren't that hard to find in any size or material heck for a few dollars you can even have them overnighted to you if your in that big of a hurry. You can go to Thomas Register online and do a search for rivets. There are different types of rivets but many of the companies you pull up will be able to help you out. I've included a link to one of the places for you to start with. What is commonly used on brakes usually gonna be a semitubular rivet. They can be set by hand/by machine/ or with a air hammer with a special shaped crimping tool that gives them that nice curled look. If your doing them by hand you might also want tolook at a solid type that you simply peen with a hammer. They make them out of different metals so think about that before you order. Most vehicle brakes use a coated steel rivet, which is fine if the drums are easy to find and replace should you wear the linings down to the rivets. For crane drum brakes/clutches the standard is always solid brass. They do this because the parts that would be ruined should you get into the rivets aren't easy or cheap to replace. This is also a good consideration if your machine old enough or rare enough that drums are no longer available for it. If you use a brass rivet, be it semi-tubular or solid be sure it stickes out the back of the shoe about 1/8". This amount should peen/crimp, with no problem, and hold basically the world. Also when ordering, the rivets are gonna be sized by the head and shaft diameter (ie #7, #8, #10, etc.), as well as by the length in 1/16ths. So for instance you wanted a #10 rivet 3/4 inches long you would order a 10-12 rivet.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Mark Robbins

10-07-2004 10:24:21




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: using epoxy to attach new brake linings in reply to Wayne, 06-08-2004 20:18:51  
Hi Wayne.

I have an old crane which needs some of the clutch bands re-lined. The last time I needed one done, I took it to a local clutch shop. They did a great job, but it cost me $ 300. Based on what I read in your posting, it appears that I may be able to do this on my own. I am handy with stuff like that. Is there any reason why I shouldn't do it? Is it a tough job? If I do it, where can I go to buy the materials? If it's not a good idea, what are your thoughts on what I paid the last time and do you have any recommendations on a better place to go to have it done? These clutch bands are roughly 3 inches wide and the drums are about 20 inches in diameter. The bands are two piece. Thanks.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
ShepFL

06-09-2004 06:34:05




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: using epoxy to attach new brake linings in reply to Wayne, 06-08-2004 20:18:51  
third party image

Got this lead from the AC site. Got one of these when rebuilding brakes on my AC G and D10. With this and the lead Wayne provided for rivets you should be back in business.

Compliments of from Eric Egland 130383

"Tractor brake rivet tool
This is a tool my flying buddy let me use to do my G brakes. The old rivets are punched out with the removal attachment and new rivets are set using the back-up insert at the left. The screw has the forming detail on the end. It does an exceptional job. I've done three sets of G brakes so far and they all look factory( or better ). The right way to do it.

G,B,C+++ Nice tool for doing brake linings. Chief Aircraft, 800-447-3408. Part# RA BRT $24.95"

HTH

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Come in out of the rain

06-08-2004 23:38:18




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: using epoxy to attach new brake linings in reply to Wayne, 06-08-2004 20:18:51  
Don't know where everyone has been for the last 10 years or longer. When is the last time you seen disk brake pads riveted on. Not many rear shoes have rivets any more....put on with what is known as INTUSTRIAL EPOXIY. In all my years never seen brake pads release from being hot,would have destroyed your drums , rotors and no telling what else. If you are getting brake that hot you should not be behind the wheel of any equipment.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Wayne

06-09-2004 21:15:34




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: Re: using epoxy to attach new brake lining in reply to Come in out of the rain, 06-08-2004 23:38:18  
Yes, your right, many brakes nowdays are bonded on instead of riveted, but this guys lining is obviously supposed to be riveted on, not bonded. I have watched a company local to us that does both bonding and riveted linings and seen how they do them. Bonding requires the proper bonding agent for the material being bonded and every one I've ever seen them do also requires that the lining be held to the band under pressure and heat til the agent set. Unless this guy has the proper bonding agent for his lining and a way to do it properly I'll let you get in front of his JB welded brakes and stop because I'm not doing it..... . When you get into the larger equipment you still see alot of riveted linings for the very reason being expressed here, SAFETY. Try running a large piece of equipment weighing 80,000lbs down a long grade and not getting the brakes hot...you can still get brakes for heavy trucks that are riveted for this reason...try running a crane and not getting the drum brakes or clutches hot.....maybe they don't reach 6oo+ degrees, but I personally wouldn't want to take that chance. With a rivet you've got a positive, mechanically bonded lining that can stay connected to the shoe even if the rivets happened to get loose. With a bonded type if the lining decides to let go then it's all over....Just my .02

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
jdemaris

06-08-2004 19:11:36




Report to Moderator
 Re: using epoxy to attach new brake linings in reply to jeffpapier, 06-08-2004 08:23:45  
I think heat is the issue and most glues and epoxys will melt with the heat created by brakes. I worked for a couple of tractor dealers that supplied brake relining kits that came with hardened glue already on them. The linings had to be clamped to the the steel shoes and then baked in an oven until the glue melted and bonded. To my knowledge, it's that type of high-heat glue that is used in bonded brakes linings.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
john nelson

06-08-2004 17:54:23




Report to Moderator
 Re: using epoxy to attach new brake linings in reply to jeffpapier, 06-08-2004 08:23:45  
I juat put brakes on a case 411, it has bonded discs. The shop used a epoxy of some type, looked similar to J-B weld in color. He has done a lot of bonded brakes, both truck and tractor and uses it on them. John



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
kjm

06-08-2004 16:04:53




Report to Moderator
 Re: using epoxy to attach new brake linings in reply to jeffpapier, 06-08-2004 08:23:45  
It is the wrong pressure,you could lift the tractor pulling on JB glue but the shear on drum brakes woudn`t be good.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Better Idea

06-08-2004 15:30:49




Report to Moderator
 Re: using epoxy to attach new brake linings in reply to jeffpapier, 06-08-2004 08:23:45  
I got a better idea than doing the homemade epoxy method, just ram some old shingle nails through those linings and bend them over with a pair of pliers. Maybe even tap them tight with a hammer. What the heck, they're only brakes. Or maybe get an old boat anchor near the back and just kick it off when you need to stop .... no problem.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Chris Brown

06-08-2004 11:28:16




Report to Moderator
 Re: using epoxy to attach new brake linings in reply to jeffpapier, 06-08-2004 08:23:45  
I have used aluminum pop rivets on brakes and it worked good for me. I'd stay away from trying to glue them.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
JHesler

06-08-2004 10:40:26




Report to Moderator
 Re: using epoxy to attach new brake linings in reply to jeffpapier, 06-08-2004 08:23:45  
Check McMaster Carr (mcmaster.com). You could have the right rivets overnight.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
RAB

06-08-2004 10:08:41




Report to Moderator
 Re: using epoxy to attach new brake linings in reply to jeffpapier, 06-08-2004 08:23:45  
Get the right kit for the job. There are serious safety issues here. If ever something went wrong on a steep grade with a heavy load..... .now, or a long time in the future.
RAB



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Dick

06-08-2004 08:27:54




Report to Moderator
 Re: using epoxy to attach new brake linings in reply to jeffpapier, 06-08-2004 08:23:45  
I use j.b. weld To Put On new linings. Seems to work well.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Road Warrior

06-08-2004 15:22:54




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: using epoxy to attach new brake linings in reply to Dick, 06-08-2004 08:27:54  
Where are you from and what roads do you travel?
I will make a mental note to never go near those areas.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
earlschieb

06-08-2004 21:31:13




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: Re: using epoxy to attach new brake lining in reply to Road Warrior, 06-08-2004 15:22:54  
No kidding!



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Jon H

06-09-2004 08:12:00




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: Re: Re: using epoxy to attach new brake li in reply to earlschieb, 06-08-2004 21:31:13  
Jb weld is great stuff,but melts at around 400 degrees. A few years ago I had a pully come loose on the combine,worn enough so the pully and shaft had a very loose fit. I used JB weld to mount the worn parts,which worked perfect all through harvest. After harvest I wanted to replace the worn parts,so put a puller on the pully and tried to remove it,pulled all I dared without breaking the large puller,with no success. Heated the pulley just hot enough so the paint was starting to burn.I put on a pair of welding gloves and easily pulled the pully off by hand as though is was sliding on grease.

Now picture, your going down that steep hill with a heavy load behind the tractor,at the bottom of the hill is a T intersection with bumper to bumper traffic moving at 60 mph. At what point on the hill do you suspect the brake shoes will get hot enough to melt that JB weld?

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
[Options]  [Printer Friendly]  [Posting Help]  [Return to Forum]   [Log in to Reply]

Hop to:


TRACTOR PARTS TRACTOR MANUALS
We sell tractor parts!  We have the parts you need to repair your tractor - the right parts. Our low prices and years of research make us your best choice when you need parts. Shop Online Today. [ About Us ]

Home  |  Forums


Copyright © 1997-2023 Yesterday's Tractor Co.

All Rights Reserved. Reproduction of any part of this website, including design and content, without written permission is strictly prohibited. Trade Marks and Trade Names contained and used in this Website are those of others, and are used in this Website in a descriptive sense to refer to the products of others. Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy

TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. None of these trademark holders are affiliated with Yesterday's Tractor Co., our products, or our website nor are we sponsored by them. John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V.

Yesterday's Tractors - Antique Tractor Headquarters

Website Accessibility Policy