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Jeff

06-08-2004 05:57:53




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A friend of mine bought a new mower that is a 540 speed pto. He complains that it turns too slow and slows down his mowing. He asked me if there is an adapter to change his 540 speed mower to 1000. I have never heard of changing implement speed, I have only changed the tractor pto speed to match the implement. Is it possible and/or safe to change the speed on an implement?




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paul

06-08-2004 21:48:08




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 Re: 540 1000 pto speed in reply to Jeff, 06-08-2004 05:57:53  
You cannot run a mower designed for 540rpm at 1000 rpm and have _any_ good results.

However, many mowers were designed for different gearboxes or converting between the 2 speeds, and perhaps your friend has it set wrong or got mis-matched parts.

--->Paul



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rustyfarmall

06-08-2004 13:01:49




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 Re: 540 1000 pto speed in reply to Jeff, 06-08-2004 05:57:53  
I don't know what brand of mower it is but if it is a newer belt drive then he needs to read the manual, many of these mowers had the capability of changing the speed of the sickle bar by adding or removing spacers in the belt pulleys, effectively changing the diameter of the drive and driven pulleys. No need to change from 540 to 1000.



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Val

06-08-2004 10:20:20




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 Re: 540 1000 pto speed in reply to Jeff, 06-08-2004 05:57:53  
Another thought. On my Hesston round baler to switch from 540 to 1000 you simply turn the gearbox around and change the PTO shaft coupler. May be that the mower gearbox is setup for 1000 but he is only inputting 540.



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Allan in NE

06-08-2004 11:41:33




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 Re: Re: 540 1000 pto speed in reply to Val, 06-08-2004 10:20:20  
Val,

Bingo!!

That happens a lot as the guys throwin' em together just don't know the difference.

We've all seen that one and I didn't happen to think of it.

Allan



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Ron

06-08-2004 07:40:20




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 Re: 540 1000 pto speed in reply to Jeff, 06-08-2004 05:57:53  
If the implement is rated for use at 540 and not 1,000 then it cannot be done.

Otherwise, as long as the driveshaft and PTO are set up correctly no problem. Note that not all tractors can use "dual speed" PTO.



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T213R

06-08-2004 08:32:05




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 Re: Re: 540 1000 pto speed in reply to Ron, 06-08-2004 07:40:20  
Actually, for many implements there were adaptor kits whereby a machine set up for 540 could be switched to 1000 and vice-versa. The parts usually include different gears or pullys but the resulting operating rate for the machine remains the same! A sicklebar would still move back and forth at the same rate as before, BUT if switched to 1000 from 540, you could use a bigger (1000 only) tractor if necessary, even though the hp requirement wasn't there.

I suspect that those factory "kits" are a little harder to come by, but that by consulting a parts book, they might be available that way!

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Ron

06-08-2004 09:19:10




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 Re: Re: Re: 540 1000 pto speed in reply to T213R, 06-08-2004 08:32:05  
Right you are. My rotary cutter is available in both speeds. The ONLY difference is that they use a different set of gears in the gear box. The actual rated blade tip speed is almost exactly the same. But to run a 540 mower at 1,000 PTO would be suicide.



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Allan in NE

06-08-2004 07:51:22




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 Re: Re: 540 1000 pto speed in reply to Ron, 06-08-2004 07:40:20  
Hi Ron,

You said, "If the implement is rated for use at 540 and not 1,000 then it cannot be done."

Yes, it can be done; the question is, is it wise to do it. No, in my opinion.

Allan



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Ron

06-08-2004 09:15:54




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 Re: Re: Re: 540 1000 pto speed in reply to Allan in NE, 06-08-2004 07:51:22  
OK Allan, I agree. I should have added "...without destroying the mower, driveshaft, tractor, and maybe even the operator"!



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Allan in NE

06-08-2004 06:24:10




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 Re: 540 1000 pto speed in reply to Jeff, 06-08-2004 05:57:53  
Jeff,

Yes, they make the adaptors; both directions.

Wanna be careful tho, don't blow that gearbox.

Allan



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Jeff

06-08-2004 06:53:11




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 Re: Re: 540 1000 pto speed in reply to Allan in NE, 06-08-2004 06:24:10  
Thanks! I learn something new every day.



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Allan in NE

06-08-2004 07:06:38




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 Re: Re: Re: 540 1000 pto speed in reply to Jeff, 06-08-2004 06:53:11  
Jeff,

Just so we are on the same page....he has to have the proper speed source tho

I. E. He's gotta have both pto shafts on the tractor to swap back and forth.

Allan



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Allan in NE

06-08-2004 07:08:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 540 1000 pto speed in reply to Allan in NE, 06-08-2004 07:06:38  
Forgot,

All the adaptor does is change the splines one to the other.

Allan



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Jeff

06-08-2004 08:54:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 540 1000 pto speed in reply to Allan in NE, 06-08-2004 07:08:36  
Allan,

Yes, the tractor has both 540 & 1000 shafts that can be interchanged on his 80hp JD. He claims that his brand new 8' finish mower blades just don't spin fast enough and he has to mow very slowly. He thinks that adapting it to 1000 will spin the blades much faster and thus he can mow faster. Someone else responded saying that changing the shaft will not actually change the rate at which the mower operates, in which case, this does him no good. Is that so?

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Allan in NE

06-08-2004 11:38:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 540 1000 pto speed in reply to Jeff, 06-08-2004 08:54:13  
Jeff,

If it is a 540 machine, have him hook it to the 540 pto.

Run the tractor wide open and adjust his ground speed by selecting a higher or lower gear. I run mine down in first....just does a better job, in my opinion.

I just wouldn't hook that 540 machine up to the 1000 pto; it is going to tear something up or hurt somebody.

These adaptors work fine for other things; such as hooking a 540 NH3 pump up to a 1000pto....just moves more gas, etc. Or say, hooking a 1000 auger to a 540 to slow it down, etc.

Allan

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David

06-08-2004 09:59:38




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 540 1000 pto speed in reply to Jeff, 06-08-2004 08:54:13  
My father in-law bought a new 6' finishing mower a few years ago. He could not get it to cut right, he kept running in higher and higher gears with the motor running wide open. I finaly got him to put the tractor in first gear. When he did this the pto shaft would barley turn. I laught to myself as I showed him to move the PTO shaft leaver to the other direction. I did not know until then that his old 135 MF had a ground speed PTO. Using the live PTO made a world of differance.

This may not be the problem, put my father in-law is still upset over this one.

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