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O.T. 15W40

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rustyfarmall

06-07-2004 19:21:47




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I own a 2001 chevy 3500 with the 8.1 gas engine. The mfgr recommends the use of 5W30 oil, which I have been using, but that weight of oil seems rather light for an engine which occasionly works very hard. Would 15w40 be better? Would it screw up any of the sensors, or cause false readings? Just curious as to what others are doing.




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Ray

06-08-2004 12:40:42




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 Re: O.T. 15W40 in reply to rustyfarmall, 06-07-2004 19:21:47  
I use 15-40 Valvoline in everything from a '59 IH T340 to a '97 Honda van and a lot of small engines too. The Honda recommended 5w30, but seems fine on 15w40 for the last 50,000 mi. I don't get severe cold though. I've been told Detroit Diesels have to have straight 30w, and 15w40 will cause blowby. Most engines don't seem to care though.



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txblu

06-08-2004 08:20:31




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 Re: O.T. 15W40 in reply to rustyfarmall, 06-07-2004 19:21:47  
Things you don't discuss: Religion, politics, oil..... ..... ... Grin.

I am an oil pressure nut. I have a worn out tractor that I just bought. I don't know what oil it had in it when purchased. But I do know this.

Start it up cold and the oil pressure is around 55 psig at idle. Mow with it for an hour and the pressure is 5 psig at idle.

I changed to Mobil 15W-40 C-4 oil. Pressure under same conditions held at 10 psig. Went to the store for more oil.

Changed again using HD 40 wt this time. Pressure held at 15 psig which is redline on the oil gauge.

So my question is this: If I only have 5 psig putting oil between two metal surfaces in the engine, how hard is it going to be for the engine to squish that oil out and attempt to put metal on metal.

I agree with film strength, but I'd bet modern oils have approximatly equal film strengths and molecular size..... ..... ....except synthetic. I have proven to myself that not only does it (syn)have a higher film strength, it also adheres to metal longer that paraffin....i.e. initial lubrication at start up indicated by noises the engines make or don't make including stopping piston slap in the winter time on cold starts of my diesel engines.

Residual oil film is what protects engines until new oil is circulated at engine start regardless of how long it takes to get there (due to viscosity). So if all non syn HD oils have approximate equal film strengths, the other consideration is the ability to retain this protective film under heavy loads and that is what viscous oils that produce high oil pressure do.

So, other than this tractor, I use Mobil 15w-40 in everything and Mobil 1 15w-50, 100% when I can afford it, 20% usually, and only on my oldest tractors, 0%.

The reason the oil companies recommend light oils is they have EPA mileage quotas to meet and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that a crankshaft splashing around in thick oil takes more hp than one splashing around in thin oil.

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MarkB

06-08-2004 03:34:58




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 Re: O.T. 15W40 in reply to rustyfarmall, 06-07-2004 19:21:47  
The only 8.1 I had any experience with was a new one, and it burned a quart of oil every 2000 miles. If your 8.1 has an oil consumption problem, you might have better luck with 15W-40. Or not. Check your owner's manual, but I suspect it's OK to use the thicker oil in the summer, but not once the temperature drops below freezing.



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Ron

06-07-2004 22:56:30




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 Re: O.T. 15W40 in reply to rustyfarmall, 06-07-2004 19:21:47  
It's a common misconception that heavier oil is somehow "better" than light oil. Actually the opposite is true. The reason is that 90% of all engine wear occurs in the first few seconds of a cold (dry) start... the time between when you turn the key and full oil pressure is acheived. Thinner oils lubricate faster. The actual protection of bearings and bearing surfaces in an engine comes from the film strength of the oil, not its weight.

Also, as others have learned, GM will not honor any warranty where the oil weight recommendation was violated and it caused a problem.

If you want your engine to last a long time, use synthetic oil in the proper weight range and change it and the filter per the manufacturers recommended intervals.

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Redman

06-08-2004 13:39:49




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 Re: Re: O.T. 15W40 in reply to Ron, 06-07-2004 22:56:30  
if light weight oil is better why is it that trucks still run 15-40?and they stand behind them to 400,000 miles.



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T_Bone

06-07-2004 22:41:55




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 Re: O.T. 15W40 in reply to rustyfarmall, 06-07-2004 19:21:47  
Hi rustyfarmall,

I agree about the oil clearance with a heavier weight oil. Along with that you will probably drop what little fuel mileage you get.

I stumbled onto another problem. I was a long time user, 40yrs, of Quakerstate oil. I bought a new Chevy 4cyl gasser and did the first two oil changes with Quakerstate 10w30 but notice my oil was extreamly black comparred to the factory oil at the same mileage change.

In the mean time I had been looking for a oil to use in my new F350 PSD and decided on Chevron Delo. no change in fuel mileage vs the factory oil.

So I thought I'd try Chevron Supreme 10w30 in my 4cyl. I picked up 2mpg the first tank. The first oil change went longer before the oil turned black and by the 2nd oil change, the oil was back to looking dark amber just like the factory oil but I now got another fuel mileage increase of 4mpg total vs using Quakerstate. No other changes were made.

Telling my son about my findings, so he trys CS 10w30 in his Ranger and got 2mpg increase the 2nd tank full.

T_Bone

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Redman

06-07-2004 21:34:06




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 Re: O.T. 15W40 in reply to rustyfarmall, 06-07-2004 19:21:47  
we had a 8.1 and ran 15-40 in it from the day it was new,turned it in at 105K with no troubles.
i read the rest of the posts,and it raised a couple of questions.
1.how can a crankshaft grind a bearing?a crankshaft is polished and if the friction would ever get high enough to grind the bearing that bad it would spin it,with no question.

2.how could putting heavier oil in a engine blow a head gasket when the oil is under low pressure there?a quad 4 is noted for head gasket trouble,i had 2 of them i learned after the second one too.
most new engines today use a break in oil to start with and once the engine has been run the oil never fully gets out of the bearings.
example-we had a 1066 that was getting tired so we parked it after last springs field work,we brought it into the shop in febuary without starting it tore it down and ordered parts for it. it sat in the shop that way for 2 weeks and it still dripped oil from the crankshaft when we installed the new bearings.

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TexMac

06-07-2004 20:58:29




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 Re: O.T. 15W40 in reply to rustyfarmall, 06-07-2004 19:21:47  
When I was a kid, the guy who was to be my father in law, and the best mechanic I ever met, taught me that motors are very accommodating. If there is no clearance for thick oil to circulate when first cranked, they will grind out enough clearance so it can. ALWAYS use the lowest viscosity recommended. You can always go to the next higher vicosity when it begins to use oil between changes. By the tme you have incresed viscosity twice you will have over 250,000 miles and probably should change out the rings and bearings anyway. He was a rebuilder and that's how he maintained the truck he used to collect old blocks. I've followed that gospel for some 40 years and have driven cars started new that way for up to 480,000 miles on the original rings and bearings with no smoke when they were retired!

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Davis In SC

06-07-2004 21:07:58




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 Re: Re: O.T. 15W40 in reply to TexMac, 06-07-2004 20:58:29  
Tex, I never liked 5 wt oils, but you brought up a good point about things "Grinding" to fit. I guess the manufacturers do know best..... . Regards, Davis



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RJ-Az

06-07-2004 20:26:12




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 Re: O.T. 15W40 in reply to rustyfarmall, 06-07-2004 19:21:47  
We use 15-40 exclusivley in everything in a LARGE fleet, After they are out of warranty. This includes gas and diesel, sedan, pickups, 1 tons, 10 wheelers, dozers, loaders, graders you name it. Average mileage at turnin is 200K or 20 years on most heavy equipment.



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kyhayman

06-07-2004 20:09:48




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 Re: O.T. 15W40 in reply to rustyfarmall, 06-07-2004 19:21:47  
Stay with the 5w30. I thought I knew more than the Dodge engineers and used 10w40 in my Dakota. It never did hold good oil pressure after that and the lifters pecked. Once wasnt enough so I put it in the wifes GM car. Low and behold, blew a head gasket. Now warranty, used the wrong oil. Over $1000 to put a head gasket in a Grand Am with a quad 4. If the book says it, I do it. Only took me two times to get smart.

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lc

06-08-2004 06:36:13




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 Re: Re: O.T. 15W40 in reply to kyhayman, 06-07-2004 20:09:48  
The gran am quad 4 would have blown a head gasket anyway. About all them did sooner or later. I had one. It went longer than usual at about 90,000 mi. Gm only covered it till 60,000.



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Bob

06-07-2004 19:44:03




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 Re: O.T. 15W40 in reply to rustyfarmall, 06-07-2004 19:21:47  
"The manufacturer recommends"... Need anyone say more?



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Ray,IN

06-07-2004 21:19:23




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 Re: Re: O.T. 15W40 in reply to Bob, 06-07-2004 19:44:03  
True-true! Tell that to those guys running multi-weight detergent oil in thier old tractor even though the mfgr recommends single weight non-detergent oils.



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Jon H

06-08-2004 14:55:04




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 Re: Re: Re: O.T. 15W40 in reply to Ray,IN, 06-07-2004 21:19:23  
Problem with that is that you can't expect a manual that was written 30-60 years ago to have any reliable advice about modern,multiviscosity detergent oils.



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Ben in KY

06-09-2004 07:36:58




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: O.T. 15W40 in reply to Jon H, 06-08-2004 14:55:04  
That is True Jon, Just another reason to not take manufacturers recommendations as "gospel"



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