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Gene Davis (Ga.

06-02-2004 19:03:16




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This is somewhat off topic, but, however it is very necessary to use a computer for posting on this forum. I had acquired a bad taste for Gateway products for several unmentioned reasons. Will have to eat some crow now I guess. They restored my faith in them. The computer had a hard drive failure and with 2 days left on the warranty, I called them and their tech service is located in the good old U.S,of America, actually talked to an english speaking person who was from the southern part of U.S. and was very understandable. They diagnosed the problem quickly, and have sent a whole hard drive under the warranty program. Nice to talk to an American voiced lady who knew what she was doing!

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Fred OH

06-04-2004 11:24:45




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 Re: Off topic---- Gateway computers in reply to Gene Davis (Ga.), 06-02-2004 19:03:16  
Wouldn't it be grand if our government could tax our companies that went off shore to the point that they couldn't make any more money than if they stayed in the good 'ol USA?...What's the opposite of a "suckin" sound? Fred OH



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JF

06-03-2004 19:50:46




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 Re: Off topic---- Gateway computers in reply to Gene Davis (Ga.), 06-02-2004 19:03:16  
GARBAGE!



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Allan

06-04-2004 04:51:32




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 Re: Re: Off topic---- Gateway computers in reply to JF, 06-03-2004 19:50:46  
LOL!

Let me guess. You now use a HP or a Dell, right?



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ShepFL

06-03-2004 08:12:08




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 Re: Off topic---- Gateway computers in reply to Gene Davis (Ga.), 06-02-2004 19:03:16  
Hey Gene -
Glad to hear you got some good service from GW. Hope that it remains. To much in America anymore is all for the sake of the sale without a thought given to the on-going business relationship be it an individual or an organization.

I work in 3PL business (contract warehouse and distribution). At one time we managed and delivered nearly 80% of GW machines domestically. As of that contract we also agreed to retool our offices with the purchase of 100's of new GW machines each yr. to replace our aging Compaq machines.

Needless to say, our experience with GW was less than stellar. At that time (97-01) GW used least cost vendor and the machines never had a std. config (internals) i.e. Seagate drive vs. Maxtor drive vs. Western Digital.

The above config issues are not much impact to individual user with one or two PCs but extremely costly to a large outfit when trying to standardize support and reduce operating costs for a large network. Me and others traveled many a time to N. Souix City, SD to meet with Ted Waitt only to be rebuffed. He was riding high in retail sales and did not care to hear our issues.
Side bar - first time we met Ted he was in flip flops, cut-offs and tye-dye shirt with pony tail, my CEO (formal business man - heavy starch) nearly fainted. It was 1 of 2 trips he made to N. Souix City, SD.

I think to late GW realized the ground they were rapidly loosing in Corp America and tried to turn it around (hence Ted Waitt's rtn).

While Ted Waitt was the visionary and was a great marketing head what he needed in to be competitve in in Corp America and in the competitive PC business in general was a guy with operations experience. That is where DELL kicked GW's butt.

We have since retooled and we are now using DELL machines exclusively - desktops, laptops, and rack mounted servers. We have never looked back.

True enough, all PC makers will will gladly sell you a cheap 'tin can' model or a quality machine. The choice is up to the customer and how much he wants to spend, however DELL caters to Corp. America and provides a respectable machine for the home user. Different focus thus their dominance. I doubt GW will ever return to the direct marketing retail dominance they had in the 90's.

Slice of my life, FWIW.

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Gene Davis (Ga.)

06-03-2004 20:38:09




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 Re: Re: Off topic---- Gateway computers in reply to ShepFL, 06-03-2004 08:12:08  
Hey Shep; The troubles we had with Gateway was the people in the store (closest was Macon Ga. 60 miles away) was that no body knew what to do except to sell you another machine. We had trouble from day it was recieved with on again off again sound, argued with service mgr, even took it back and they said it was o.k. because they tried it once and it played a music C.D. Gateway them selves posted a patch for it on their website 6 mo. later and the svc manager still knew nothing about it. the next problem was very amusing. Wife also has a gateway laptop to use with embrodiery/sewing projects she does. When she asked why the lap top could connect to the internet faster than the desk top model, the svc. mgrs. answer was," the wires from the laptop keyboard to the modem were shorter than the desk top and that made it faster". He was serious about thatI suppose because he never offered another answer . The store service dept.people told us they could not hook it to the internet to test modem speed or anything like that because they only had one hook up in the store and they didn't know how to disconnect or connect it! Called Gateway tech support, and after a 2-1/2 hr session with them, they sent a new motherboard and modem and it ran better then. Can't say I'll miss the retail store they closed. Local Electric Membership Cooperativce is now a Gateway ordering station, so I will watch the outcome before I buy again. They usually hold a mfgrs feet to the fire if there is a problem they soon drop them. They sell appliances in 10 counties as well as electricity and have a great sales and service dealings. The sorriest piece of hardware we ever wasted money on is a Linksys wireless networking networking systems, it never worked more than a few days with out problems. It was more trouble than it was worth, sorry I didn't run cables in the wall for networking at remodeling trime. Guess I'll wind up doing that now.

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Allan in NE

06-03-2004 06:17:37




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 Re: Off topic---- Gateway computers in reply to Gene Davis (Ga.), 06-02-2004 19:03:16  
Hi Gene,

Our business demands that we purchase roughly 4 or 5 new units every year; these machines must run 24/7 and are never shut off. We've been doing this for quite a number of years now.

My point being that during this buying process, we have tried all the major brands over the years.

Gateway, as with all brands, will gladly sell you a cheap 'tin can' model or a quality machine. The choice is up to the customer and how much he wants to spend.

Our experience has shown that Gateway is the only vendor which can deliver us a quality product and a product which will last. We have since changed our buying habits to only purchase from Gateway.

Trouble is, these darned things run in at between $4,500 to $5,000 a copy. Upside is that they will run forever with very little maintenance and are all but bulletproof.

Such is life,

Allan

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IHC Red

06-02-2004 21:21:22




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 Re: Off topic---- Gateway computers in reply to Gene Davis (Ga.), 06-02-2004 19:03:16  
Their older tower units are decent. I've used them for years at the office and I've been pleased.

Avoid Gateway laptops. I've had good luck with Dell laptops.



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Davis In SC

06-02-2004 19:43:16




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 Re: Off topic---- Gateway computers in reply to Gene Davis (Ga.), 06-02-2004 19:03:16  
Hewlett -Packard has their customer service in India, I think. When my computer crashed, I had to call 4 times to ever get a person I could even understand. Even then the help was useless. I mentioned my problem to a buddy that works at the gas station, & he told me how to fix it. HP needs to hire him..... .



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49 Cubber!

06-02-2004 19:56:36




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 Re: Re: Off topic---- Gateway computers in reply to Davis In SC, 06-02-2004 19:43:16  
Are they still making you pay for help!?



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Davis In SC

06-02-2004 20:27:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Off topic---- Gateway computers in reply to 49 Cubber!, 06-02-2004 19:56:36  
I had a week left on warranty on HP, so I did not have to pay.....



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Gene Davis

06-02-2004 20:09:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Off topic---- Gateway computers in reply to 49 Cubber!, 06-02-2004 19:56:36  
they did not charge me.



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Ray,IN

06-02-2004 19:30:13




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 Re: Off topic---- Gateway computers in reply to Gene Davis (Ga.), 06-02-2004 19:03:16  
Gateway is desperately trying to regain lost market share. They are reducing expenses by closing retail stores and returning to the sound marketing practices of yesteryear. They have a good product at a fair price, hope they rebuild.



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Buzzman72

06-03-2004 06:06:21




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 Re: Re: Off topic---- Gateway computers in reply to Ray,IN, 06-02-2004 19:30:13  
Back in 1999, I bought my first computer from Gateway. The computer was OK, with a 400mHz Celeron processor...big for '99, but slow by today's standards. Had no problems to speak of with the equipment...but, not knowing any better, and having been advised by friends to avoid AOL like the plague, I went with Gateway's internet service. It was advertised as "unlimited" at $19.95 a month. So the month I got the bill for $72, I found out that THEIR definition of "unlimited" service was something different than that used by the rest of the world, and that they stuck to their guns for the $72. That same day, I got a disc in the mail from Earthlink. I called Earthlink and explained my "failure to communicate" with Gateway. The Earthlink spokesperson explained to me that they had the same definition of "unlimited" as I did, and for the past 4 years I've been overjoyed with my service from Earthlink.

So, since that $72 has cost Gateway approximately $1000 in business since--plus it helped me decide to purchase a DELL when I replaced the Gateway computer, for yet ANOTHER $800 or so--I guess they got their money's worth from me. I may not be SMART, but I don't FORGET who tried to SCREW me, either.

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tlak

06-03-2004 12:10:09




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 Re: Re: Re: Off topic---- Gateway computers in reply to Buzzman72, 06-03-2004 06:06:21  
""""" I may not be SMART, but I don't FORGET who tried to SCREW me, either. """"" ""
Same thing with me, different story. Wont buy GW. I guess they werent going for the long haul.



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Al in PA

06-03-2004 06:52:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Off topic---- Gateway computers in reply to Buzzman72, 06-03-2004 06:06:21  
Buzzman, I am not familiar with Gateway's Internet service and I don't disagree with you for switching services based upon your experience. However, 400 people lost their jobs 2 months ago here in Harrisburg, PA when Earthlink shipped their jobs to India.

I've had good service from my Gateway computers, so I'll continue to purchase them. I'll take your advice and not use their Internet service. But, I'll also avoid Earthlink based upon the way they screwed their employees (my neighbors).

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tlak

06-04-2004 05:28:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Off topic---- Gateway computers in reply to Al in PA, 06-03-2004 06:52:53  
Heres a little list of whos offshore and whos on. Your neighbors across the country are losing their jobs.



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Allan

06-04-2004 05:48:17




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Off topic---- Gateway compute in reply to tlak, 06-04-2004 05:28:24  
Oh, Now now

Have you ever tried to find good help that would actually work?

There is a reason this is happening and I would submit that it is located on the couch with the TV remote in one hand, drinkin' beer, passin' gas and bellyaching about how he can't find any work.

My view,

Allan



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tlak

06-04-2004 10:08:43




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Off topic---- Gateway com in reply to Allan, 06-04-2004 05:48:17  
I guess everybody’s got their theory but I probably wouldn’t be voicing yours near any bread lines. I think it’s actually a fallacy of the stock market. Everybody’s trying to improve the bottom line that when one cuts their cost by moving off shore then the other can’t compete with out going to. Our congress people are to blame for not slowing or stopping this process. This also relates back to wages. Are you trying to hire them at $15-20 hr or what looks like is going to be the common wage when they bring the jobs back.$8 hr.

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