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Your Opinion on Pullin' Tractors

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Rusty

05-25-2004 18:12:33




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Hey guys, I was just wondering what all you guys think about "Butchering" a old tractor for the local pulls. Thanks,
Russ




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PeteNY

05-26-2004 09:11:25




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 Re: Your Opinion on Pullin' Tractors in reply to Rusty , 05-25-2004 18:12:33  
I love to pull, but I don't do modifications to do so...but if ya own it I guess can do what you want. I may build a Super C to go up a higher division some day, but no so that it doesn't look original, and it will still be able to have fun on plow days too. What is unfortunate is when someone heavily modifies a tractor that is NOT as common as dirt(like a Super C is).



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buickanddeere

05-26-2004 05:31:26




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 Re: Your Opinion on Pullin' Tractors in reply to Rusty , 05-25-2004 18:12:33  
Insurance companies don't see the difference between an antique tractor show and an antique show with a "pull". Sooner or later in this day of legal weasels, someone's over revved antique is going to send shrapnel into the crowd. Or get bouncing and veer off into the crowd at high speed. Stock rpms +10% and 3-1/2 mph speed limit or we won't be able to afford to insure shows. As for butchering tractors? Have a look at some of the hack fix jobs done by farmers out in the fields?

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Rusty Shackleford

05-26-2004 23:13:06




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 Re: Re: Your Opinion on Pullin' Tractors in reply to buickanddeere, 05-26-2004 05:31:26  
Hey Bozo--Did anyone say anything about insurance?? The Question was about pulling tractors. If you want to change the subject then start a new thread!!



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buickanddeere

05-27-2004 05:31:15




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 Re: Re: Re: Your Opinion on Pullin' Tractors in reply to Rusty Shackleford, 05-26-2004 23:13:06  
It's related and ties right in with the topic of equipment not being to factory specs and who is liable when something goes wrong.



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TomR Ont.

05-27-2004 18:08:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Your Opinion on Pullin' Tractors in reply to buickanddeere, 05-27-2004 05:31:15  
Defintely Relevant...
At the tractor pull I was at in Kinmount Ontario about 2 years ago. They also had a monster truck pull, the clutch blew out and 3 people went to the hospital. I have wondered from time to time if the greedy insurance company socked it to the organizers. The insurance companies have been known to kill a lot of good events.



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Earl S.

05-26-2004 12:09:06




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 Re: Re: Your Opinion on Pullin' Tractors in reply to buickanddeere, 05-26-2004 05:31:26  
buickanddeere,AMEN .I have preached this for years.I get called old fashion,its the safety that really matters here.I am also a firm believer in wheelie bars, but there has to be a standard on those.The Illinois Tractor Pulling (ITPA) I think has the best rules on antique and HP tractors. It is just my opinion.I am glad you feel our sport is just one law suit away from being eliminated. Earl In Illinois

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Joe Evans

05-26-2004 05:27:18




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 Re: Your Opinion on Pullin' Tractors in reply to Rusty , 05-25-2004 18:12:33  
I wouldn't hack up a good antiquer for pulling. On the other hand, if someone else wants to do it, as Dale said, "more power to 'em." There's plenty of iron to go around for both interests IMO.



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Adam B.

05-25-2004 22:09:30




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 Re: Your Opinion on Pullin' Tractors in reply to Rusty , 05-25-2004 18:12:33  
I'm building one the way I always envisioned it could be built. It isn't going to be an extreme performance machine, but won't be legal in any pulling classes I've seen either. Everything I'm doing is just a matter of interchanging parts and customizing some other bolt-on stuff. It will be easily changed back to original just by sticking the stock parts back on.

For me, the fun is going to be the challenge of creating a customized tractor that should also perform much better than it could in original condition. It's a hobby, and just a toy. I'm also trying to get a great deal of performance out of the tractor without doing the extreme engine modifications I've seen done to other tractors, to see if I can do it. I don't think what I'm doing is different than what farmers have been doing for centuries - coming up with innovative solutions to meet their own situations and problems.

As far as pulling, it's a competitive sport. While I don't care what someone wants to do with his own property, I don't agree with making any modifications to get more performance by slipping past the rules. I'm not upset that I won't be able to pull my tractor when it's done, because I know what the rules for the local pulls are, and I won't meet spec. The fault is mine for not building within the guidelines, but I'm building the tractor I want not a tractor to compete. As long as you have clear pulling rules and everyone follows them, everything else is personal preference. Rules can be altered as needed to close any loopholes.

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buck

05-25-2004 20:21:01




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 Re: Your Opinion on Pullin' Tractors in reply to Rusty , 05-25-2004 18:12:33  

I think that is a great Idea if that is what you want to do. I don't pull myself but I enjoy the sport and I enjoy looking at the creations that the pulers have made. Enjoy!



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Aberdale Farm

05-25-2004 19:51:23




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 Re: Your Opinion on Pullin' Tractors in reply to Rusty , 05-25-2004 18:12:33  
I agree with others. It's their tractor, they can do as they wish and can afford.

But when I'm in the market to buy a used tractor, I skip over the ones advertised as pullers. I figure they have been run the pi$$ out of, and cost too much to revert back to original. It also seems that most guys that advertise pullers seem to think they have something special and price them accordingly. (Probably because they have too much wrapped in 'em.)

Of course, I'm sure there are a few out there looking for a used puller, so more power to 'em! (pun intended.)

Dale

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JW

05-25-2004 19:51:18




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 Re: Your Opinion on Pullin' Tractors in reply to Rusty , 05-25-2004 18:12:33  
It would be good to see the tractors placed in seperate catagories (Custom/modified for the butchered and Restored/Stock for the real workers).



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Flyin Farmall

05-25-2004 19:49:27




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 Re: Your Opinion on Pullin' Tractors in reply to Rusty , 05-25-2004 18:12:33  
Alot of pullin tractors are built from tractors that are too far gone to do a cost-effective restoration anyways.Have you seen the prices to buy a puller already built??They are bringing ALOT more than a pristine restoration job.



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Jim

05-25-2004 19:39:31




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 Re: Your Opinion on Pullin' Tractors in reply to Rusty , 05-25-2004 18:12:33  
80%of these antique tractors are not used any more so check your local pulling rules and find a class that fits your pocketbook and you can have a lot of fun with out a lot of expence.



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wolfy

05-25-2004 19:30:11




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 Re: Your Opinion on Pullin' Tractors in reply to Rusty , 05-25-2004 18:12:33  
Guess that's why I like our dead weight pull. Unhook from the hay baler, bolt a ring on your drawbar and the antiques & classics have the best chance of winning. Next morning, mow with it.



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Puller504

05-25-2004 18:54:56




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 Re: Your Opinion on Pullin' Tractors in reply to Rusty , 05-25-2004 18:12:33  
Butcher?? Not my style! Any and all modifications we do to our farm tractors can be reversed back to original. I just removed the three-point arms and installed the custom hitch and rear weight bracket for this season on my IH504. If we need it for farming, (not likely with a dozen other running tractors on the farm) it's about a 30 minute job to remove the hitch and rear weight bracket and re-install the three-point lift arms and swinging drawbar! The Oliver 1600 is already prepped for pulling, that took me about 45 minutes, also reversible! Don

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kyhayman

05-25-2004 18:46:07




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 Re: Your Opinion on Pullin' Tractors in reply to Rusty , 05-25-2004 18:12:33  
Other than creating a giant hole to pour money down it's your tractor and your money do with them as you wish. Most of my friends either want or have had a pulling tractor (note to self, not many DO have one), I cant stand the noise, smoke, or drunks at motor sports events so not my thing. If it's yours, go for it.



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John

05-25-2004 18:40:09




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 Re: Your Opinion on Pullin' Tractors in reply to Rusty , 05-25-2004 18:12:33  
Its my tractor and I will BUTCHER it if I want to!!!



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Les...fortunate

05-25-2004 18:30:14




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 Re: Your Opinion on Pullin' Tractors in reply to Rusty , 05-25-2004 18:12:33  
I have absolutely no interest in tractor pulling. I also don't figure it's any of my business what anybody does with his own property. Save me from purists.
But there sure are plenty of people who think they somehow have an intrinsic right to tell other people what they can and can't do with what is their own property. That is how we got things like zoning and all other manner of government regulations.

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Stan(PA)

05-25-2004 18:22:20




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 Re: Your Opinion on Pullin' Tractors in reply to Rusty , 05-25-2004 18:12:33  
They "butcher" antique cars to make street rods, and I love street rods! Actually, it probably is like street rods, in the sense that they don't rod a pristine original. They just take something that doesn't run, or is "beat", and make it useful and fun. On the other hand, it's their car/tractor, so in my opinion, they can do whatever they want :)



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