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bob

05-23-2004 10:35:58




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I Bought a Kohler 25kw generator run by natural gas 4 cly. Hercules engine. After the sale, I noticed it was 3-phase (getting old-forgot to think of everything). Is there any way to wire so as to supply house with single phase, as a back up emergency generator. Or get a 3-phase motor that operates single phase generator.




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MarkB

05-24-2004 04:54:12




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 Re: generator question in reply to bob, 05-23-2004 10:35:58  
As RAB says, if it's 4-wire, meaning "wye" configuration, each leg will be 115V to neutral. HOWEVER, the voltage leg-to-leg will only be 208V. In practical terms, what this means is you can hook two hot wires and a nuetral to your service and get 115V to your 115V outlets, but only 208V to your 230V outlets. Many 230V appliances (e.g. air conditioners) won't work well at 208V.

Now if it is three-wire (delta), check the phase-to-phase voltage. If it's 115, you can use one pair of legs, but you won't be able to get more than a third of the generator's 25kVA. If it's 230, the only way you can get 115V is with a transformer.

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buickanddeere

05-23-2004 14:51:27




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 Re: generator question in reply to bob, 05-23-2004 10:35:58  
If you can get to the windings then yes, it can be rewired to produce true 180 degree single phase off the three internal winding pairs. One phase is used as normal but the 3rd phase is connected in series with the 2nd and bucking. I'd say for the amature is to just sell it. And buy a cheap pto generator from Granger, Harbour Freight or Northern Tool



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bob

05-23-2004 18:23:51




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 Re: Re: generator question in reply to buickanddeere, 05-23-2004 14:51:27  
I thot about selling but I need something that runs off natural gas since we have free gas. Last storm I lost power for 3 days & I'd like for that not to happen again. The pto gen. makes sense if I had shed near house where I could run tractor & generate. Plus this way I don't have to carry gas or keep it stored around.



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buickanddeere

05-24-2004 05:18:40




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 Re: Re: Re: generator question in reply to bob, 05-23-2004 18:23:51  
Next option would be pricing out a single phase generator head for the exisiting engine. Or trading th whole deal for a single phase natural gas unit. A rotatary convertor could be used backwards and ease the imbalance/heating/harmonics from the generator. Lucky you, if I want free gas it's from a meal at the Mother-inlaws.



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Bob

05-23-2004 13:32:16




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 Re: generator question in reply to bob, 05-23-2004 10:35:58  
Try posting over at:>Link

with>Link the numbers off the nameplate. Someone can probably help you with a connection diagram.

Even if the generator is does not have one of the windings center tapped for your single phase neutral, this could be accomplished with the appropriate transformer after the generator.



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RAB

05-23-2004 11:51:02




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 Re: generator question in reply to bob, 05-23-2004 10:35:58  
Depends whether it is 3 or 4 wire.
4 wire allows you to take off separate phases. But don't just run one leg fully loaded and nothing on the other two, or it will be well out of balance.
Regards, RAB



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VaTom

05-23-2004 11:50:14




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 Re: generator question in reply to bob, 05-23-2004 10:35:58  
bob,

My PTO generator, also 25kw, is 3 phase. Guy who sold it cheap to me had tried to use it for his grocery, needing single phase. Burned up 3 cash registers before he gave up. I measured the voltage outputs before I agreed to buy it.

After I paid him and loaded it in my truck, I mentioned that 8 bucks and a trip to Radio Shack could have solved all his problems. One leg is hotter, which is what his "electrician" used to fry his registers. Pay attention, with a meter, to which legs you use for single phase and you'll be fine. 3 phase has 3 hot legs, single phase only 2. Be careful which 2 you use. Then you're all set. I guess you know about transfer switches.

The other large advantage of your generator is the possibility of actually using a lot of 3 phase current. Mine gets turned on whenever I use my 24" wood planer. Adding a phase converter large enough for the planer and chip blower would have exceeded the available amps.

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bob

05-23-2004 21:08:30




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 Re: Re: generator question in reply to VaTom, 05-23-2004 11:50:14  
so, what did the $8 buy & what did it do? Tester of some kind? I guess the transfer switches cut off power from the lines & isolate the generated power to the house only.



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