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Help me identify my paintings of tractors

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Bev Leesman

05-18-2004 08:53:32




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Hi, I am a professional watercolor artist who has started painting a series of 1930 Farmall and Ford tractors. I grew up in central Illinois surrounded by farms and this series reminds me of my childhood. I would like to further identify the three that I have finished. What I have right now is the manufacturer and a time period. I am looking for the exact date they were manufactured (instead of a guess at the decade) and exact name of the tractor.
You may see these paintings on my website:
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The three paintings are at the bottom of the page.

Thanks,
Bev.

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nebraska cowman

05-18-2004 17:41:50




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 Re: Help me identify my paintings of tractors in reply to Bev Leesman, 05-18-2004 08:53:32  
forgotton fields is a Farmall Regular. The Ford is a Fordson Major. I woulkd love to see paintings of the entire tractors. Do you ever do that type of work?



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Beverly Leesman

05-18-2004 20:25:29




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 Re: Re: Help me identify my paintings of tractors in reply to nebraska cowman, 05-18-2004 17:41:50  
Thank you for the names, Nebraska Cowman. Do you have any idea of specific dates?

I seldom do paintings of entire tractors because that is not what gets into national jured shows. These painings have been in shows in the Midwest and New York City. Most people who would do a painting of a tractor would include everything. To make it more interesting to people that juror these show (Museum folk and professional artists), I cut off or crop portions of the tractors to create an interesting design.

Because I know live in New Mexico, these tractors do not rust in the desert. The paint fades with the intense sun and some of it gets worn off because of the intense wind storms. This makes them a challenging, interesting subjects to paint.

I have more to do in the series. It would be great if I find some experts to help me identify these tractors. I want to put blurbs on the back of the painting which identifies each tractor.

Again, that you for taking the time to reply.

Bev.

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paul

05-18-2004 10:30:13




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 Re: Help me identify my paintings of tractors in reply to Bev Leesman, 05-18-2004 08:53:32  
To echo what Dave said....

The Mall is a Farmall LPG fueled model that would look _very_ much like my 300 model from the '50s. But it could be a slightly different model. The years Dave mentioned would be right.

Forgotten would be a 30's Farmall, there were several models that looked much like this, some experts might narrow it down some - better than I can. It would be in the F- series as a guess - F-12, F-20, and so on.

Not sure what Dang is, it doesn't quite look like a Ford, but I'm not so good with the oler ones.

What did you base your pictures on, they are far too cropped to get a good handle on their exact ID? Do you have a bigger picture where we could see the side of the front of the tractor? You kinda focused on the wrong end for us farmers, we like to see the engine & power, argh, argh! :) :) :)

--->Paul

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Bev Leesman

05-18-2004 20:42:46




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 Re: Re: Help me identify my paintings of tractors in reply to paul, 05-18-2004 10:30:13  
Dear Paul.

I know that the blue one is a Ford but that is all I know about it. So far the other two have turned out to be Farmall's. I have photographs of other tractors that I plan to turn into paintings but they all have the weird angles. I don't know what type of tractors they are but I can't wait to do those paitings.

My images are based on cropped computer photos that I take with my digital camera. Those three tractors are just out in a field next to an old, tiny farmhouse in central NM.

Because of that one farmer, I now have persmission to go onto other people's property and shoot their farm machinery for future paintings.

I may have some photos of the entire tractor. What do you need to identify them completely? Would a shot of the front grill help or the engine? What do you mean by power? If you will let me know what shots I should be taking of these tractors to help identify them, I'll be sure to take those shots in the future.

Thanks,

Bev.

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paul

05-18-2004 23:15:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Help me identify my paintings of tract in reply to Bev Leesman, 05-18-2004 20:42:46  
For the future, all tractors have a serial # plate with the model & serial number on it. Since you are taking the pictures yourself, you can find that info & then you will know what the tractor is. It is very difficult to know a tractor's age without the serial number. We can tell you which decade perhaps, but not the exact year of that one tractor. There are books you can get for $15 - $45 that list all tractors, serial numbers, and where to look for the #plate if that would be worthwhile for you?

Hard part - each manufaturer has a slightly different location for the model/serial plate. Otherwise we can look them up for you too if you can find them.

I knew it wasn't a Ford tractor, I'll believe it's a Fordson. :) There's a difference. :)

That LPG Farmall is kinda rare, that fuel option is not seen very often on that particular tractor.

By power, I mean us farmers are a lot more interested in the engine area of a tractor than in the seat area. I can understand the 'artsy' needs of your work for the critics, but I'd pay money for pictures of a tractor, not for a picture of a tractor seat. This does not mean I don't like your work, but to me it looks so incomplete it would not be worth having on the wall. Just how a farmer looks at it, not to be taken to heart..... Your painting is very good, wish it was a complete object...

--->Paul

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Dave_Id

05-18-2004 09:03:59




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 Re: Help me identify my paintings of tractors in reply to Bev Leesman, 05-18-2004 08:53:32  
The pics didn't come up on the forum.. I looked at your webpage. The pics are too closeup to really tell. The Mall Pic may be a Farmall 300 or 400. They were mfg'd from 54-56



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Van in AR

05-18-2004 23:04:13




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 Re: Re: Help me identify my paintings of tractors in reply to Dave_Id, 05-18-2004 09:03:59  
300 Farmall, looks to be a 56 by the tank, 55's i've seen didn't have the level gage on the left side rear. It was on the side and was the dial type, not the gage type. Great paintings by the way!!!
Van



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Beverly Leesman

05-19-2004 10:27:09




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 Re: Re: Re: Help me identify my paintings of tract in reply to Van in AR, 05-18-2004 23:04:13  
Thank you for your kind words Van. If I painted a image of a tractor that was not cropped (cut off by the edge of the painting in odd ways), it would not get into any of the national shows across the country.

It has to have an unusual design to catch a juror's eye when they are selecting 100 paintings out of 500 to 1000 to 2000 slides. (Big shows have $60,000 in awards and prizes while small shows have less than $5000.)

I have some tractors photographs that I want to do this summer. I am also applying for a museum show in Los Crusas, NM for 2005. I will send them some slides with a proposal on doing the whole show with old cars, tractors, fire trucks that are abandoned across New Mexico. Because of the desert climate, nothing rusts.

Thanks for your help.

Bev.

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sammy the RED

05-18-2004 21:33:43




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 Re: Re: Help me identify my paintings of tractors in reply to Dave_Id, 05-18-2004 09:03:59  
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I agree with ya Dave.



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Beverly Leesman

05-18-2004 20:46:21




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 Re: Re: Help me identify my paintings of tractors in reply to Dave_Id, 05-18-2004 09:03:59  
Dear Dave,

Thanks for the information. So far you have the best dates for the red Original Mall.

Thank you for taking the time to reply.

Bev.



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Wardner

05-18-2004 21:18:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Help me identify my paintings of tract in reply to Beverly Leesman, 05-18-2004 20:46:21  
Always take a couple of 3/4 views of the complete tractor. If you can find a data plate, shoot that or record the information. IH or Farmall tractors have date codes on the major castings. They end with a letter of the alphabet. That propane Farmall codes will end in A or B or C or D. Those span the years of '55-58.

The propane Farmall should be very easy to identify. All pressure vessels (propane tank) are required to have date of mfg stamped on data plate.

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Beverly Leesman

05-19-2004 10:06:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Help me identify my paintings of t in reply to Wardner , 05-18-2004 21:18:57  
Dear Wardner,

Thank you for the tips on shooting. I seldom took the right type of photographs for proper identification. Now, I know, thanks to you guys, what kind of shots I should be taking. I'll have to go on another photo shoot to get those shots. What is a data plate? What do they normally look like?

Thanks, Bev.



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