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Roosa-Master Surprise, Surprise

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txblu

05-08-2004 06:30:21




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Have a '64 Blue 4 cyl diesel with 3300 hrs. Got to running rough at higher rpm's. Only had it a few years so didn't know history on injectors and pump.

Decided pump was probably due a retread. Surfed the www and found a guy in New England that only did pumps for his living. Discussed removal and transportation to him.

In the conversation he said to loosen the inspection plate just above the ID tag and let some fuel run out while the thing is running. If the engine recovers you have one of two problem: pump or return line obstruction.

In short, I did and it did. Cleaned up the return line to the tank and HOT DOG!!!!! Runs like a top.

So just like is said on here repeatedly, it's not always a complicated solution to a problem.

So now did I not only avoid the big bucks and inconvenience of removal and shipment and return, but I have use of my tractor in this, the start of the haying season.

Don't remember the guys name but would like to thank him.

txblu

Hope someone gets some lift from this.

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jdemaris

05-08-2004 18:42:20




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 Re: Roosa-Master Surprise, Surprise in reply to txblu, 05-08-2004 06:30:21  
In regard to what George MD stated, absolutely true. I've seen many times, someone gets an obstruction in the return line with a Roosamaster/Stanadyne DB pump and have engine problems. It serves as an early warning that there are broken parts in the pump - and if fixed right away, it can sometimes be done with $35 in parts. But . . . clean out the obstructions, get it running okay again - WITHOUT fixing the pump - and 6 months to a year later the head and rotor is trashed and the pump is virtually unrepairable (you can often buy another pump for the price of a new head and rotor).

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txblu

05-09-2004 06:41:35




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 Re: Re: Roosa-Master Surprise, Surprise in reply to jdemaris, 05-08-2004 18:42:20  
I appreciate what you say. As I recall the people who fixed the green pump sent the bad parts back with it and I got to see what was falling apart. Since reading Georges response, I remembered what happened and I caused it.



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george md

05-08-2004 08:35:12




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 Re: Roosa-Master Surprise, Surprise in reply to txblu, 05-08-2004 06:30:21  
txblu,

Many of the systems from the 50's and 60's did not have a housing pressure regulator in the return line . If you have one in the return line, then his advice is correct , if you don't have one , then you had better find out what caused the line to be blocked . Usually blocked by the pieces of the governor drive ring that has become old and brittle and has shattered and floated out with the return fuel. If this is the case , some where in the near future you will cut off the rivots that are in the gov drive plate and at that point you no longer have any governor control. You don't have runaway engine, you have over speed engine and runaway operator.

george

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txblu

05-09-2004 06:37:14




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 Re: Re: Roosa-Master Surprise, Surprise in reply to george md, 05-08-2004 08:35:12  
Well, thinking back, I have 3 '60s blues and am always doing someting to one of them. I forget sometimes what I did to what. I think I was changing out the return hose ( because of weather cracking and didn't have the 5/16 but did have a 1/4. In the process of adapting that, I think I put in a 1/4 hosebarb adapter with too small a hole in it. In retrospect, examination revealed what I just said. Didn't notice just how small that hole was till reexamination.

My green 4020 started spitting parts in the return line and when it did it got an overhaul. Forget now how I finally decided the pump was my problem, i.e. what was I doing inspecting the return line. But got it fixed over the www also (place in the carolinas) and they did an excellent job, fast and all for a reasonable price.

Thanks for the tip

Mark

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ShepFL

05-08-2004 06:50:31




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 Re: Roosa-Master Surprise, Surprise in reply to txblu, 05-08-2004 06:30:21  
That is handy to know. Perhaps you can find him again on the web, shoot him an email of thanks or perhaps a care pkg. - some genuine TexMex or some BBQ :) That tip saved you, me and others some bucks in the future.



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mohamed adel adm

02-17-2005 04:40:38




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 Re: Re: Roosa-Master Surprise, Surprise in reply to ShepFL, 05-08-2004 06:50:31  
ihope more information of roosa master



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txblu

05-09-2004 06:27:44




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 Re: Re: Roosa-Master Surprise, Surprise in reply to ShepFL, 05-08-2004 06:50:31  
I may just do that today.

Thanks.



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