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Tom

05-02-2004 04:51:39




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had a Ford 8N for sale in the ads. One person emailed me and asked for pictures of the exterior and the interior of the tractor, another asked if it was gas or diesel.




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clint

05-03-2004 20:04:28




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 Re: are people really that dumb? in reply to Tom, 05-02-2004 04:51:39  
depends on how you look at it. The other day I overheard two guys talking how dumb my neighbor was for taking his old tractor in for a tune up and not doing it himself.The man is smart enough to get his mach. tuned up oil changed etc.even if someone else does it.My neighbor admits to not being mech. inclined and probably wouldn't know if an 8n had a cab or was powered by diesel or gas. But dumb he is not He makes more $ in a years time than I will ever make in twenty.If he wanted he could buy a new tractor every month. Be careful who you call dumb you may not be as smart as you think.

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Davis In SC

05-03-2004 10:02:07




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 Re: are people really that dumb? in reply to Tom, 05-02-2004 04:51:39  
In fairness to all, I guess we are all "Dumb" when out of our element. In some situations, I get viewed as a fool by highly educated folks. But, they fail to realize they are equally as dumb at mechanical things, etc. Really, we could all learn a lot from others with different backgrounds. Regards, Davis



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Paul in Mich

05-03-2004 18:07:59




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 Re: Re: are people really that dumb? in reply to Davis In SC, 05-03-2004 10:02:07  
DAvis, YOu are 100% on the money there. a fish looks pretty stupid trying to walk on land, conversly, we don't breath very well under water without a little mechanical help. Bottom line is that we are all ignorant when taken out of our sphere of expertise. Everyone knows something that nobody else does, so even the smartest person on earth is ignorant of some things.



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Tom

05-03-2004 08:34:32




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 Re: are people really that dumb? in reply to Tom, 05-02-2004 04:51:39  
yes I had a picture with the ad. They could see there was no cab and you could see the carburator also.



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Clint

05-03-2004 20:12:25




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 Re: Re: are people really that dumb? in reply to Tom, 05-03-2004 08:34:32  
If I know how to spell carburetor right does that make me smarter than you? or does it simply mean that I just know the correct spelling of this word and you do not?



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Newbie's..ASK...T_Bone

05-03-2004 08:33:32




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 Re: are people really that dumb? in reply to Tom, 05-02-2004 04:51:39  
To the newbie's that request knowledge

Thank GOD we don't all share Tom's and some of the other forum members opinion of what dumb question to ask.

Come over too the Tool Forum and feel free to ask as many "dumb" questions you want to ask of me. I will always try to answer if I can.

Had I never ask my first dumb question (yep I still ask them), I surely wouldn't have what little knowledge I now have.

T_Bone

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buickanddeere

05-03-2004 06:00:52




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 Re: are people really that dumb? in reply to Tom, 05-02-2004 04:51:39  
If you take anyone from their area of expertise and expects them to make a correct decision about something they have little experience. How bright would you look if suddenly handed the controls in an airplane, industrial process panel, just handed the tools and parts on an assembly line. Or expected to run your computer on dos, even figure just the simple chemical equation for rusting iron. So yes people are stupid about anything they don't know about. You don't feel threatened by someone with an education, secure income, new SUV vehicle, cash in their pocket and a comfy rural estate?

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William

05-03-2004 04:40:42




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 Re: are people really that dumb? in reply to Tom, 05-02-2004 04:51:39  
Did you ever think the person with the question came to this website to research? When I bought my fist tractor I didn't know dog do from shampoo. I bought one I could afford after comming to this website and doing a little reading. Now I come here and ask DUMB QUESTIONS when I need to know something.



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Wayne

05-02-2004 20:22:30




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 Re: are people really that dumb? in reply to Tom, 05-02-2004 04:51:39  
Hey Tom, you make a really good point about people asking dumb questions. If this person was looking to buy a tractor why hadn't they already done a little research into what kind of machine they wanted before they wasted your time and theirs emailing a question like that? Personally if I'm considering a new vehicle I do a little research before I even begin to look just to protect myself from dishonest sellers. You can't know what your looking at if you don't know what your looking for..... .They always used to tell me the only dumb quesion was the one you didn't ask..... ..I believe that held true for alot of years, but nowdays there are alot of really dumb questions being asked by the "educated idiots" of the world. Some of the smartest people I know are the ones with the least amount of "book smarts", and conversely some of the dumbest ones have several college degrees. The deciding factor seems to be nothing but plain ole common sense. Common sense, horse sense, street smarts, or whatever you want to call it isn't something you can learn in a classroom, it's something that comes from working out in the real world. It's being able to take many different things that happen in real life, wether they are related in any real way or not, and melding them into a coherent way of thinking. Everyone has their speciality in life, but it's the ones with common sense that always seem to make it to the top of their field..... ..The rest of them have to rely on OSHA, MSHA, or the rest of us to keep them "in their field" instead of 6' under in a field..... .....To Gary, don't worry about the negative comments, there are still many of us out there that feel the same way and are behind you 100 percent..... ..Just my .02

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Jared in VT

05-02-2004 18:29:32




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 Re: are people really that dumb? in reply to Tom, 05-02-2004 04:51:39  
Tom, Nothing is new under the Sun. The problem with this, is that if you point out how dumb other folk are, you have four fingers pointing back at your self. I think that you will find what you look for. If that's stupidity, you'll find it. I suppose that with or without a cab, it's very possiable to shoot a picture of the interior of any tractor. Sort of a "seat view" of the machine. By the same token, with all the wacky things people do to old Fords, a diesel is certainly a possiability. I've been farming and running equipment for years and think that I'm wicked clever. But my neighbors who are real farmers, kindly teach me how little I know daily. Gary, You need to spend a little less time looking to perpetuate your own myths. It rains on the Just and the Unjust. Soldiering in the Infantry with Americas youth taught me that faith in the young is never wasted. You might notice that on T.V. these days. Get involved. Your strong convictions positively expressed, could very positivly influence young people. Keep smiling! Jared

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Redd

05-02-2004 16:38:13




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 Re: are people really that dumb? in reply to Tom, 05-02-2004 04:51:39  
Yes they are, and I need Gary to move to my heighborhood to fend off the idiots for me. He is right on with his observations. Its very sad that when one points out the truth about someone they are called a bigot. I think I am not far from Paul and at the plant where I work one young electrical engineer was designing a project which he felt would need a 30 HP electric motor. He planned on picking it up himself and putting it in the trunk of his car! And we're supposed to remain a world super power?! Our number one product we make today is Walmart shoppers loading up on cheap junk from China and laughing about jobs going away. We couldn't even win a war if we had to. Where we going to get steel, electronics, uniforms, even boots?? Whew! I feel better.

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David in Ga.

05-02-2004 11:58:09




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 Re: are people really that dumb? in reply to Tom, 05-02-2004 04:51:39  
Is that an "89"Ford? How many doors? 4 or 2 wheel drive? A.C.? Power brakes? Auto or manual? Carpet or rubber mat? My wife wants to know if it has a bud vase? LOL!!!! I hate trying to sell stuff. It is usually at lean times and I hate to be doing it and all the stupids seem to find me! Kinda makes you appreciate people like yourself. I just take a breath and pray for them as they are lost. I hope with our help maybe we can enlighten them. Dont give up, its the only hope we have.May God bless you all.

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Jonathan

05-02-2004 07:24:42




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 Re: are people really that dumb? in reply to Tom, 05-02-2004 04:51:39  
Did you have a picture of your 8N too, or was it just a description?. Somebody didn't know, and some of those small fords were diesel, but not 8N's. It's also very possible to put a home made cab on it, but it would be most unlikely. I suppose the next guy will want to know how good the power steering works, but like I said, they don't know. Maybe somebody got their wires crossed and emailed you by mistake, when they were interested in another tractor. Who knows, some of the things people do and say don't make much sense and leave use wondering. Somebody who doesn't know 8Ns could easily think that a diesel was offered, because it was an option on so many other tractors. Most of us are very much into tractors and can easily I.D different tractors just by looking at them from a distance, even if the all the decals are missing.
I love going to auctions and listening to the first timer compact tractor owner talk to his wife and wondering if the huge 3pt blade clearly made for a 150hp tractor is going to fit on his new 35hp compact, LOL, I got news for him, the 3pt arms on his compact wont spread far enough for him to hook it up, this was done so that people like him can't hook stuff up thats way too big and damage the tractor, and possibly hurt himself too.

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Jimmy King

05-02-2004 07:09:02




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 Re: are people really that dumb? in reply to Tom, 05-02-2004 04:51:39  
Yes Tom they are, my all time favorite was a preacher we had once. There were three dairy farmer in the church at the including myself, not any now. Any way the preachers wife ask where one of the familys were at a funcion and some one said they are putting up hay, and she said o'h do they do that beside dairying????



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LEJO

05-02-2004 06:56:39




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 Re: are people really that dumb? in reply to Tom, 05-02-2004 04:51:39  
Very well said Gary from Tx.



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Gary in TX

05-02-2004 06:22:49




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 Re: are people really that dumb? in reply to Tom, 05-02-2004 04:51:39  
No disrespect meant to anyone although that is the way this will sound, but from some of the questions I read, I really wonder about some people. I just kinda think its city people who have no place whatsoever being in the country. This is one of my pet peaves, city people coming out and filling up the country. Hey folks, pretty soon the country ain't gonna be the country anymore. They come out here and expect us that have lived here all our lives to bow down and change to suit them, sorry folks your moving into our world, its up to you to change or move yourself back to the city where ya came from, I'll help ya pack!!! All the illiegal aliens ain't helping much either. I run onto this alot in moving hay equipment n the road, well anything really. It tickles me to death to back traffic up and slow these jerks down. I can only go so fast and can't pull over every five minutes to let someone around, I would never get where I'm going. And yes, raising the speed limit was a mistake on the smaller between town highways!!!! Interstates are a different story, I can see that but not on short runs between towns. I don't blame it all on the city people either, gotta give them a little credit for wanting to get out of the city too. Alot of it is younger people who have never been taught to work, selling off farms to make a bunch of money in a hurry. People had better wake up and smell the coffee brewing, its going to be kinda hard to plant crops in concrete and run combines in and out of housing developements that are the cancer to the country way of life Kids, now thats another story, kids these days ain't worth a crap, hardly any of them know how to do anything as far as work goes, at least thats been my observation. Take the dang playstation away and make em work. If they get out of line bust there butts, spare the rod and spoil the child is a true statement!!!! All I see around here are spoiled kids, mom and dad buy em a new car or truck cause they are so stupid they can't even change a flat tire. Get em a old car and let em fix it up and learn!!! It ain't gonna kill em to get their hands greasy! It ain't gonna kill em to break a sweat either. Poor little babies, ahhhh. I'm sorry guys and gals this is just one of those subjects that gets me going and I feel I'm pretty much right on the money. I know there are some kids out there that do work and I'm not saying this is a total problem, although you really don't see many around here that will work. I know I got off topic some, or maybe I didn't? It don't matter how technologicly advanced we get, we are still going to dig holes with shovels and the food we eat is still going to be grown, whether it be by seed or animals. Its a shame that so many have no clue where their food comes from. I think its time the country has a wake up call myself and the American Farmer gets a big THANK YOU and the respect he deserves!!!

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Dave in S MN

05-03-2004 13:44:09




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 Re: Re: are people really that dumb? in reply to Gary in TX, 05-02-2004 06:22:49  
Gary in TX, I think you better change the name you post with from now on because no one is going to want to talk to you anymore if you don't. I am upset as you are about urban sprawl, but why don't you learn to live and let live sometimes, or if you have something to say don't waste your time on this little discussion board.
-Dave R



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Gary in Tx

05-03-2004 16:54:28




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 Re: Re: Re: are people really that dumb? in reply to Dave in S MN, 05-03-2004 13:44:09  
Well, from the amount of responses, it looks to me like the majority are thinking in the same way I am. Live and let live you say, well those people coming out cutting up farm land and filling it up with houses ain't affecting their living but they are taking $$$ out of our pockets and food off of our tables. And further more, if you don't like whats said, just go over it and leave it alone. I made an original post that I spoke out on some major concerns on my part and thats all, hopefully it will get someone to thinking that will keep a family farm instead of chopping it up in little bits and pieces. Your either with me or against me and you pretty much straddled the fence with your statement.

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Dave in S MN

05-03-2004 20:35:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: are people really that dumb? in reply to Gary in Tx, 05-03-2004 16:54:28  
Gary, I guess I have to admit that you are right. On the subject of urban sprawl you are either with or against your statements. I live in Southern MN and when I drive through the area I came from (West of Minneapolis/St. Paul), it almost brings tears to my eyes to see these new big expensive houses going up on or near the land my dad used to farm. The reason I say "live and let live" is because I think in this area we tend to be relatively passive about the issue. Sure it's talked about every now and then, but I think most of the time people just look at what is going on and shake their heads and continue on their merry way.
I go to school in River Falls, WI (which has one of the better known ag. programs in the country) for agriculture. We are about 30 miles east of Minneapolis/St. Paul. This area, as you can imagine, is becoming much more urbanized than it used to be. Out at the laboratory farm they have a large slurry tank for the dairy manure they produce from their 60 cow herd. When they spread manure they incorporate it right away to reduce odors for the town folks. Even though you can make the argument that the farm was there first, I think that this is a very good management practice that more people in urbanized areas should probably consider. As was said in a previous post, I think we need to consider that these people have a right to buy land wherever and whenever they want(after all, this is America), but they do need to understand that with country life comes some of these offensive odors and slow tractors on the road and such.
There's a 100 cow dairy established right near River Falls here, been in the family for years and years. Developers are putting in 900 new housing units(houses and apartments) right across the road from them. Of course it aggrevates these farmers and some of the surrounding community, but I think these farmers need to look at it from a different view point. Look at the potential marketing opportunities this farm could have being in a somewhat urbanized area, or the opportunity to educate the public by giving farm tours.
As was mentioned, we as farmers just need to educate these folks. If all we do is sit here and complain about these folks and make previous judgements, then whose the ignorant ones here? These are just my own personal thoughts just as you had yours, Gary, so please just consider that everyone has different viewpoints and everyone comes from different backgrounds, and I will do the same.
-Dave R.

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Paul in Mich

05-03-2004 21:32:59




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: are people really that dumb? in reply to Dave in S MN, 05-03-2004 20:35:24  
Dave, you are a very insightful young man if I may say so myself. In America, one should be able to buy a home or a piece of property anywhere he can afford or is willing to pay the price. A farmer should also be able to sell a piece of property to whomever he chooses, for any reason, as long as he is not reducing the value of his neighbors property. People however should understand that when they choose to live in the country, they cannot expect to bring their city life with them, they need to conform to country life which means putting up with slow moving tractors and machinery, barnyard oders, and other inconveniences we in the country accept as a way of life. Many times when I'm taking a wide planter or a combine down the road, I hear honks, see blinking headlights, but I ignore it. I figure that if I pi$$ed them off, I did my good deed for the day. What I will not do is pull off the road and stop, because I found out long ago that that creates more problems than it solves. Does it bother me that some of our farmland is being used for housing developments? Sure, but what bothers me just as much is good farmland going fallow in government soil banks, and farmers being paid NOT to grow crops. I'm a farmer, and don't understand that one. If manufacturing companies were paid tax payer money not to produce, we would scream bloody murder.

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Dave in S MN

05-04-2004 16:32:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: are people really that dum in reply to Paul in Mich, 05-03-2004 21:32:59  
Thank you Paul for the nice compliment. I needed that.
I guess I had never thought about these gov't programs that pays people not to farm. It's just like the people moving out to the country. I mean, the population is expected to double in the next 50 years or so. Where do people think this extra food is going to come from?
You are right about the manufacturing companies. The reason we can get by with it in the farming community is because everyone isn't aware that taxpayer money is going to pay farmers not to grow crops. To put it another way, "out of sight out of mind." Again it goes back to education of the public.
-Dave R

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Short Round

05-03-2004 05:43:05




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 Re: Re: are people really that dumb? in reply to Gary in TX, 05-02-2004 06:22:49  
Gary in Texas, did you ever hear about one of the "young kids" by the name of Pat Tilliman(sp) who gave up a 3.6 million pro football contract only to loose his life as an army ranger????



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Gary in TX

05-03-2004 08:14:45




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 Re: Re: Re: are people really that dumb? in reply to Short Round, 05-03-2004 05:43:05  
Yep sure did, was that ever a bad choice! Motives were admirable but a bad choice. I have the utmost respect for those in the armed forces but to give up that kind of $$$ and now to be gone it just don't add up. My sympathies go out to his family and all those who have lost thier lives in the defense of our country.



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Robert in W. Mi

05-03-2004 09:20:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: are people really that dumb? in reply to Gary in TX, 05-03-2004 08:14:45  
I guess that just proves, for some folks, it just "isn't" about money!!!! I thank God that there's still folks like that out there!!

Robert



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MMB

05-02-2004 15:58:35




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 Re: Re: are people really that dumb? in reply to Gary in TX, 05-02-2004 06:22:49  
You can't weasel out of your biggoted remarks Gary. The answer the question is "yes", there are a lot of dumb people out there and I believe there's at least one of them in Texas and he lives in the country too. Grow up a bit Gary, the world is moving a bit too fast for you and you've got to get with it. I suppose you're still using a team of horses to farm with and you walk to town right? Even you have to admit that a guy can't be in the stone age forever.

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Gary in Tx

05-02-2004 16:43:24




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 Re: Re: Re: are people really that dumb? in reply to MMB, 05-02-2004 15:58:35  
Hey dude,
I'm not going to weasel out of anything. YOur probably one of those that don't even know how to change a tire. For your information and if its any of your business, I run 100 and 125 Hp tractors, 530 round baler 2280 self proppelled swather (and may be getting a second one of those this season) and more heavy equipment that you probably know what is. And for your information I'm running 4 trucks at the present time, I have too much to do to walk to town! As for growing up, dude you grow up and smell the roses, nope forgot your moving too fast to even see the roses. Yea the world is moving too fast, thats one of the things thats wrong with it.
Who in the heck said anything about the stone age???? Sounds to me like you are probably one of those people who are educated beyond their intellegence. Go take a nap and when you wake up maybe they will let you play with your tinkertoys.

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MMB

05-02-2004 19:21:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: are people really that dumb? in reply to Gary in Tx, 05-02-2004 16:43:24  
After your little tirade, I rest my case. You are undoubtedly guilty as charged (and somewhat childish too I might add). Now go and play with your BIG tractors and heavy equipment while I go to bed.



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Nathan

05-02-2004 15:17:34




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 Re: Re: are people really that dumb? in reply to Gary in TX, 05-02-2004 06:22:49  
I'm only 16, but I agree with you, Gary in TX, very few of the kids I know know anything about anything, and it scares me to think that one day, these people will be running the world. STUPIDITY ABOUNDS! Or as a friend of mine would say, "If idiots could fly, this place would be an airport!"

Nathan



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Gary in TX

05-02-2004 16:45:40




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 Re: Re: Re: are people really that dumb? in reply to Nathan, 05-02-2004 15:17:34  
Hey Nathan,
I really should have put a percentage type deal in the original post. I certainly didn't mean to say that all young people are not hitting on all eight.



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Ben UK

05-02-2004 11:47:32




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 Re: Re: are people really that dumb? in reply to Gary in TX, 05-02-2004 06:22:49  
Well said Gary in TX.

Mind you im 15 and live and WORK on a farm, but i agree that a hell of a lot of kids my age dont do $hit.

Ben



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GAry in TX

05-02-2004 16:49:26




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 Re: Re: Re: are people really that dumb? in reply to Ben UK, 05-02-2004 11:47:32  
Hey Ben UK,
As I mentioned to Nathan just now I really should have put a percentage type deal on my origanal post. I do know there are some young people coming on that do know a thing or too.
Probably around 10 to 15% though, the others are just walking around in a daze, kinda like MMB that posted earlier. Bet he has to wear slip on shoes!!!! Those shoe laces are just too tough for him to figure out!
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Ben UK

05-03-2004 23:49:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: are people really that dumb? in reply to GAry in TX, 05-02-2004 16:49:26  
lol

i like you Gary in TX! You have a sensible sense of humour!



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Gary in TX

05-04-2004 06:11:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: are people really that dumb? in reply to Ben UK, 05-03-2004 23:49:25  
Thanks,
I appreciate that! Your ok in my book too!



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Les...fortunate

05-02-2004 08:36:59




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 Re: Re: are people really that dumb? in reply to Gary in TX, 05-02-2004 06:22:49  
Now Gary, don't be ridiculous. Everybody knows that our food comes from Chile.



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jfky

05-03-2004 03:40:09




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 Re: Re: Re: are people really that dumb? in reply to Les...fortunate, 05-02-2004 08:36:59  
I thought our food comes from Kroger?????



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New-Gen

05-02-2004 07:34:14




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 Re: Re: are people really that dumb? in reply to Gary in TX, 05-02-2004 06:22:49  
Gary I am in 100% agreement with you on every point you just made here. But I made a post along those lines on anothe rforumth eother day and got my head bit off by one person. He even implied that i was a bigot! I'm with ya man!



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Paul in Mich

05-02-2004 07:10:39




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 Re: Re: are people really that dumb? in reply to Gary in TX, 05-02-2004 06:22:49  
Gee, Gary, Things have gone straight to HeII in a handbasket out there where you are, hasn't it? Here in Michigan, People are allowed to live anywhere they can afford. And we arent so arrogant as to think that city people have no business being in the country. We don't ask them to accept a one way ticket back to the city. we may have to educate them somewhat to rural life, but send them back to the city? I bet you dont feel you are trespassing on their turf when you go to town to buy groceries, furniture, refrigerators, cars, or just take in a movie. Our kids are also pretty smart here too, and if they don't learn anything in school, we wonder what kind of parenting they are getting. The last time I checked, The U.of M. and other Universities here in Michigan were graduating students in record numbers, and I doubt that they all came from Texas. By the way,have you tried to master a "Playstation" lately? Didn't think so. Also here in Michigan, farmers whether first generation, or 4th or 5th generation farmers who inherited their land have the right to sell any or all of their land at market value. We don't require anyone lt sit back and watch everyone else make a buck while we struggle for struggle sake. When did that change in Texas? We also have a farmers right to farm here which means if we kick up a little dust, slow down traffic on the roads, create a few offensive odors, or otherwise inconvenience a few libs who dont quite get it, we simply let them do the worrying and carping. Why make their problem our problem. Are you telling us that Texans need help in understanding that? I'm sure that Texans in general see things in more of a positive light than you have indicated here, but you have managed to convince me that the answer to the question of the original post is a resounding yes.

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Robert in W. Mi

05-03-2004 09:43:00




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 Re: Re: Re: are people really that dumb? in reply to Paul in Mich, 05-02-2004 07:10:39  
Just south of my "county" here in Mi., the county has new home builders sign a form saying that they have read the page there signing. I'm told the form explains that they are moveing into a farming community, and there will be combines, tractors ect.. on the road, bad smelling things put on the fields ect.. and they agree to accept it all, and not go to township meetings later on complaining about it!!! It says on the form, if you can't accept this, don't build in this county!!!!

In the 50 years we have owned this farm here, there's been a lot of changes just like Gary stated, and not many of them for the good!!

I had a fellow in a suit come flying down my gravel road behind me when i was pulling my trailored dozer behind my tractor. I clearly had a SMV sign visible and he came flying around some curves, just missing me by landing in the ditch. I seen he was "ok", but i decided to leave him there to think on what he just did!!!

These days i back the dozer on when i'm pulling it, i might as well have the blade out there as a "bumper"!!!!

Robert

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Dave H (MI)

05-03-2004 09:00:11




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 Re: Re: Re: are people really that dumb? in reply to Paul in Mich, 05-02-2004 07:10:39  
Gosh Paul, you sure took that personally! I don't remember anything aimed specifically at Michigan, our colleges, children, or policies.
The guy has some good points and if you want to take a perspective from Michigan, I'll give you one. Lots of great kids in this state, my own young kids included. Mine work hard at haying time and do the lions share of caring for animals here. The kids they go to school with mostly can only claim that they have "mastered" the playstation. They get good grades by and large, but experience little outside of school and home.
Many of them it is not their fault. They jump at a chance to help out around here and we like to let them. Our system turns out good little workers but common sense and practical experience don't seem to be a part of it. As far as the land issue goes, you sound like someone sitting on a tract of farm land just waiting for the yuppie crowd to show up with 12K per acre. It's the Michigan way, after all! Who cares about scenic beauty or farmland preservation! We just want our money, right? That's what it always boils down to. Do your research. Our state has one of the worst land management policies in the nation.

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Chris-se-ILL

05-02-2004 20:09:01




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 Re: Re: Re: are people really that dumb? in reply to Paul in Mich, 05-02-2004 07:10:39  
With all due respect Paul... I mostly agree with Gary in TX!

And since you seem to need some background info to validate a view... I will preface my post by stating.. Yes, I have mastered the Playstation, Playstation II, Nintendo, Nintendo 64, and Gamecube! {I have 2 sons that I have to keep up with!} Also, I have lived in the "Big City" {South-Central St. Louis [Compton Heights area]}, and other large cities for several years, and I have MANY relatives living in big cities all over the US and NZ. I have been back on the "homeplace" {and farming} for 20 years now.

That all said... Yes, the native city folks {those born and raised in the cities} are VERY ignorant of country life! They have a right to move to the country; bid $5K to $10K+ per acre for ground that would otherwise sell for $2.5K per acre or less; drive their fancy cars and "sport" pickups on the roads... but they do not have the right demand we farmers change the way we do business, or become aggrievated because "we" inconveinience them with our farming. There is no "right to farm" or county zoning ordinances in this county. But, I sometimes wonder if that is the way that things are headed because of the imposition that we "country folks" seem to be to all the city folks that move to our area.

I have witnessed first hand the moronic attitudes and smug snottyness of the city folks. Not all city folks are smug and moronic... but there are enough to establish a pattern!

Also, Yes, I feel that I am trespassing when I go to town and drive 35 in a 35MPH zone and I have folks honk at me because they want to drive 45MPH! They honk at me and "flip me off because my ol' pickup stops, at all stop signs. They shake their fists at me because I let some littl ol' lady pull out from a blind intersection as a courtesy... City folks look at me weird when I hand back the extra money that the cashier overpayed me or because I come back into the storer and pay for an item that they forgot to "ring up." Am I trespassing into their world... YUP!

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Larry806

05-02-2004 20:41:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: are people really that dumb? in reply to Chris-se-ILL, 05-02-2004 20:09:01  
Thank you Chris You got it!!!



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David in Ga.

05-02-2004 11:47:52




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 Re: Re: Re: are people really that dumb? in reply to Paul in Mich, 05-02-2004 07:10:39  
Yes, colleges all across the nation are graduating in record numbers. They are book smart for sure. Too bad most dont have common sense enough to use those book brains. I deal with hundreds of these people a year. Many keep going to school because they dont have any idea of what they want to do.I work in the auto repair industry and it is sad when degreed professionals cant figure out why their sidewall gave way from having 10lbs. pressure while towing a boat twice the vehicle capacity at 15 mph. over the speed limit. All of these specs are on the tire,door jamb and owners manual. Oh, they took out the owners manual so it would not have the plastic cover removed and lower their trade in value.This is just the tip of the ice,but then I am not into playstaion, etc. Do they have games for them to tech these things? Maybe they should. I dont see any play station questions on driving test.

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Gary in TX

05-02-2004 10:42:28




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 Re: Re: Re: are people really that dumb? in reply to Paul in Mich, 05-02-2004 07:10:39  
Hey Paul,
Naw it probably ain't as dismal as I portrayed in the post and I admit I probably got a little carried away but this is from my point of view and from what I'm seeing. I do believe everything I said to be generally accurate however.



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Butcher

05-02-2004 06:35:05




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 Re: Re: are people really that dumb? in reply to Gary in TX, 05-02-2004 06:22:49  
A-men!



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Dave H (MI)

05-02-2004 07:05:27




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 Re: Re: Re: are people really that dumb? in reply to DUMB, 05-02-2004 06:34:39  
Well "Dumb", dumb is everywhere and you certainly are proof. Gary may need to get back on his meds, but he hit a lot of nails dead on. I've been trying to add acreage to my operations for two years but in my area you have to bid against
non-farmers who want 15 acres but don't even pick up the hay they mow. I can't afford to farm it for what I would have to pay.



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Gary in TX

05-02-2004 10:49:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: are people really that dumb? in reply to Dave H (MI), 05-02-2004 07:05:27  
Thanks Dave! I appreciate your positive reply and those others that have posted positivly about what I said. I may have got a little carried away but I do still believe everything to be pretty darn accurate.
City people move out and chop up our working land, then they want to keep their taxes down by having it in AG use so thats where I think alot of it comes in. I bale several places like that, I do it because I coan use the hay so it works out for both of us. I still don't think its right for non farmers to have ag exemptions on small acreages though. I just hate seeing new houses being built on chopped up farms. Its not only the builders and th buyers doing it but those selling as well. People just don't have any respect for the ones that grow our food and the country in general I think needs to be educated to respect the farmer and the work he does for our great land.

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Gary in TX

05-02-2004 07:04:17




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 Re: Re: Re: are people really that dumb? in reply to DUMB, 05-02-2004 06:34:39  
Actually you are right DUMB is everywhere and its spreading like a virus.
I was actually making several different points on several subjects while I was on a roll there. Not really singling out anyone or any age group in particular. Have a great day!



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Mark

05-02-2004 06:07:47




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 Re: are people really that dumb? in reply to Tom, 05-02-2004 04:51:39  
Yeah,they are. Too bad stupidity isn't painfull.



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49 Cubber!

05-02-2004 05:51:02




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 Re: are people really that dumb? in reply to Tom, 05-02-2004 04:51:39  
No they are not that dumb,just ignorant as to what the 8N is.My bossman uses N's for 0's sometimes.



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Coloken

05-02-2004 05:22:32




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 Re: are people really that dumb? in reply to Tom, 05-02-2004 04:51:39  
Same people that every 3 or 4 days, want to know what to do with the large cashiers check from overseas?



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BobMo

05-02-2004 05:14:20




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 Re: are people really that dumb? in reply to Tom, 05-02-2004 04:51:39  
Yes, unfortuniately they are..... ..



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sibby(Aus)

05-02-2004 20:22:20




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 Re: Re: are people really that dumb? in reply to BobMo, 05-02-2004 05:14:20  
Gary from Texas, i agree with you 99%, but you cant blame kids for there upbringing, grades and report card results are drummed into em. I agree they go to uni or college to learn to be stupid ,not smart, plenty brains, no common sense. The same thing is happening down under also, cut up property and dairyfarms etc an build new mansions an complain about smoke, stench from piggeries,cows etc, go back to the city they love and enjoy the pollution, crime etc. You have hit the nail on the head fair and square, buddy!!!

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