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How Old Is Too Old?

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Kajun

04-23-2004 12:17:25




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Tractor folk:

Farm bred and raised but in the pre-diesel era. Need some help with this.

I burn about 200 gallons of diesel fuel per year. Available to me from the family is an old gasoline bulk tank and an old diesel bulk tank. Also available to me from the dealer are what appear to be old diesel fuel tanks. The family gasoline tank has been abandoned for about 3 years; the family diesel fuel tank has been abandoned for about 18 months.

Anybody have any experience on corrosion in abandoned tanks of this sort? Is this a problem? Is there some simple way to check them or to clean them? Are there any safeguards I should take if I use any of these tanks?

Much obliged.

Kajun

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Kajun

04-26-2004 15:06:16




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 Re: How Old Is Too Old? in reply to Kajun, 04-23-2004 12:17:25  
Gents:
Much obliged for all the good info.
Sorry for taking this long to post thanks.

Kajun



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Hagan

04-24-2004 10:05:20




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 Re: How Old Is Too Old? in reply to Kajun, 04-23-2004 12:17:25  
Some thing to think about is if you get bad fuel or fuel during the early spring months it could be winter blend and will not have the BTU's and your tractor will not pull as good. And you will have a years supply of "bad fuel" I remember once when I was young dad getting some bad fuel from the fuel man and after ruining 2 diesel pumps and a pickup load of tractor and storage tank filters it was quite costly even with 40 cent diesel let alone $1.35 diesel now. What are you doing now. Most tractors take from 25 gallons up per fill. If it is too far to drive to town with the tractor I would get a nearly new oil barrel and a pump with a filter and go that route. I would also store it inside. You did not mention where you are located and your location. If you are in a high or low rainfall location. I have a pickup fuel tank with a pump that I never clean out and sometimes it sits for 6 months half full

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Kent in NB

04-24-2004 05:54:02




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 Re: How Old Is Too Old? in reply to Kajun, 04-23-2004 12:17:25  
Buy a new tank! Much cheaper than fuel spill cleanup. After $20,000.00+++ cleanup for a rusted out tank, the new double wall tank really looked cheap.



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JMS/MN

04-23-2004 22:42:33




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 Re: How Old Is Too Old? in reply to Kajun, 04-23-2004 12:17:25  
If you use used tanks, do not switch the fuel with what the tank was previously used for. ie, do not use an old gas tank for diesel fuel.



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Nebraska Cowman

04-23-2004 13:38:00




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 Re: How Old Is Too Old? in reply to Kajun, 04-23-2004 12:17:25  
I don't know where you live or if it ever rains but here a tank that was used 3 years ago wound not seem "abandoned". the tank i use for diesel lay on the ground for over 10 years when my neighbor gave it to me. my gas tank was on a stand but it had sat empty for longer than that. I just rinsed them out and put on new hose and fittings.



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casey

04-23-2004 12:52:15




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 Re: How Old Is Too Old? in reply to Kajun, 04-23-2004 12:17:25  
one more thing...When you said the fuel company would give you what looked like old diesel tanks, did you mean tanks that came off of a truck? If so, then they might be aluminum, which of course won't rust. Oxidation or corrosion inside the tank isn't to much of a problem, just clean them out good getting all of the dirt out of them before you spend almost $2.00 a gallon for liquid gold. There should be a 3/8" or 1/2" pipe plug in the bottom to help you drain and clean these. These tanks can hold as much as 250 gallons. CAB

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casey

04-23-2004 12:47:13




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 Re: How Old Is Too Old? in reply to Kajun, 04-23-2004 12:17:25  
YES, Old tanks can cause problems. The tank you spoke of being abandoned for a while...moisture due to condensation can promote rust. Then those rust and water particles find their way into your fuel system. Good fuel filters, depending on what your putting the fuel into, can can prevent this from being too large a problem. But the best cure is good prevention. Pressure your oil company a bit to provide good tanks. I deal with bulk oil in a diesel shop, and our company gives us a storage tank and pump at no charge so long as we buy a minumum lot of fuel. If this is not an option, take a flashlight (not a match) and inspect the inside of the tank. If it looks suspicious and flakey, don't take chances using fuel out of there which could cause damage to your farm jewels. CAB

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paul

04-23-2004 12:33:53




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 Re: How Old Is Too Old? in reply to Kajun, 04-23-2004 12:17:25  
Corosion is generally - not always, but generally - worse in a gas tank.

Fuels float, so any water collects at the bottom of a tank, and that is where they rust through from the inside to the outside. We have a 300 gal gas tank here that is older than me, still using it. just watch the bottom. If you see a slight damp spot while it is full, do NOT pick at it, get the tank emptied!!!!! Any picking will open up a rust bubble & cause you all sorts of grief with the EPA.

Flushing them out is time consuming & messy, but pretty straightforward.

You didn't ask so I won't go into it, but you should filter it, water trap it, and be concerned about where you place it. Your state will have restrictions on how far from a house, building, well, wetlands, tile intake, and the like. There probably in no containment structure required, but that will be coming in the next decade, and your insurance co might mandate some of this stuff as well. Us oldtimers are generally grandfathered in on a lot of the above & leave well enough alone, but if I were starting a new fuel storage area, I'd think about some of that EPA stuff & a containment deal.

--->Paul

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Stan TN

04-25-2004 13:59:28




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 Re: Re: How Old Is Too Old? in reply to paul, 04-23-2004 12:33:53  
Well if you are going to put the tank in a containment, looks like a shallow swimming pool. that is big enough to hold more than the tank, then the only thing you'll lose is a tank of fuel. If you don't you may lose quite a bit of time and money cleaning up the spill. Tanks don't leak until they are full, just ask Murphy.



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T_Bone

04-23-2004 15:47:39




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 Re: Re: How Old Is Too Old? in reply to paul, 04-23-2004 12:33:53  
Hi Kajun,

My son helped set up a new Ag business about 5yrs ago. Here the city/county/state all had there say as too diesel storage and all wanted a concrete holding sump installed. They never asked about nor wanted gasoline storage.

While talking with the inspectors, one had said on "fixed installations" so the next question was, what is not "fixed".

Tanks with wheels as that comes in on DOT rules and regulations but if the tank never leaves the property then DOT has nothing to say. Under a 1000gal was also important, how I don't remember.

T_Bone

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Slowpoke

05-01-2004 23:55:31




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 Re: Re: Re: How Old Is Too Old? in reply to T_Bone, 04-23-2004 15:47:39  
T-Bone, I think the reason is that a farm tank under 1000 gal may be exempt from inspection. About 5 years ago, I was about to buy a 10 acre parcel that had an underground tank of less than 1000 gal. The county said it was exempt. After I made an offer that was accepted, the sellers decided to have the tank inspected as they were worried that the loan would not fund. I told them it was exempt, forget about it. They also wanted additional down payment, even tho they wouldn't carry the loan. So I backed out. Last I heard, they had spent over $10,000 on the cleanup.

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