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shockley

04-22-2004 17:33:45




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I have a 1HP 2yr. old Flo-tech shallow well pump that is giving me and my dad a fit.It will not pump even after i rebuilt it it only has 1 pipe going down the well 1 1/4"size anyway i bought a 1/2 HP submersible today but i am worried we will not be able to get it past what i think is a rock right after the 6"casing stops.Sometimes i have trouble getting the 1 1/4" foot valve past it.I guess my main question is how could i knock the rock out to get the 4" pump down without calling a well driller?

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buickanddeere

04-23-2004 04:56:04




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 Re: Need help on well pump in reply to shockley, 04-22-2004 17:33:45  
How deep is the total well, how deep is the casing and what is the water level down from the pump? If putting the venturi down the well, there is a flow adjustment. Too little and it won't lift/push and too much back flow just reduces total output/reduces efficiency.



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Leroy

04-22-2004 19:05:38




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 Re: Need help on well pump in reply to shockley, 04-22-2004 17:33:45  
With regard to your shallow well pump: Over the years I've been impressed several times as to how an extremely small air leak will prevent these pumps from pumping. Some pumps use a system to keep a certain amount of air in the tank so they don't get too much water and turn on and off too much. Some of those systems, using a small hose or tube, can cause problems. With this tube plugged and water in the area all the way to the water in the well, it should pump.

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jdemaris

04-22-2004 18:05:17




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 Re: Need help on well pump in reply to shockley, 04-22-2004 17:33:45  
What is your water head or static level? In other words, how far down is the high water level before pumping, and how far down does it get after pumping for awhile?
For instance, my well is 250' deep, but the water is only 20' down from ground level until I start pumping - it can then go down to 60-70 feet pretty fast because it has a slow recovery. A jet pump would work okay for this, but the jet - or sometimes called the "ejector" has to be down in the well, not bolted to, or part of the pump like is often the case in cheap "shallow well" pumps.
If you cannot fit a submersed pump down near the well bottom, put a "deep" jet in. I'm assuming you're not using an old piston pump, but a more modern pump with a shallow-well jet bolted right to it, or integral with it. That won't work very well for a water head thats more than 25 feet down. If your pump is a "convertible", you can take the shallow jet off the pump, and put one down in the well instead. A jet takes two pipes, not one. So, for deeper well operation, maybe down to a 75 feet, the jet itself goes down near the well bottom and has two pipes coming up the well casing and hooking to the pump.

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max

04-23-2004 05:11:03




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 Re: Re: Need help on well pump in reply to jdemaris, 04-22-2004 18:05:17  
jd
You seem to know a little about those shallow well jet pumps, I noticed in all the installation diagrams that they are always mounted horizontal, can you mount them right on top of the 1 1/4 pipe vertically.



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jdemaris

04-23-2004 05:38:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Need help on well pump in reply to max, 04-23-2004 05:11:03  
I know enough to get by. Although I've been a grease-monkey for much of my life, I also worked for a well drilling company. I don't know why you'd want to, or what possible gain would be gotten from changing your mount. If the jet is part of your pump, or bolted to your pump, it is only capapble of drawing water 30 feet down - and I don't think it will make any difference which way it is pointing. Same goes for a deep well jet. The difference is, with the deep well jet, the jet is actually put IN the well - so you can stick it 50 feet down, and it's still capable of drawing from 30' beyond that point, so the total is 80'. Once you go beyond that point, though, they're very inefficient. By the way, there are specialty submersible pumps availble for small well casings. Take a look at the Sears website for convertible jet waterpump rated for 90 feet at:

http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&vertical=SEARS&pid=04225228000&sid=I0008300030000100085

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max

04-24-2004 09:00:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Need help on well pump in reply to jdemaris, 04-23-2004 05:38:27  
Thanks JD
I'll check out that site.



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