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What trailer is best for hauling tractors?

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Trailering Newb

04-14-2004 18:53:49




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I am looking to purchase a trailer to haultractors and other farm equipment. I have a 3/4 ton HD pickup with the HD Towing package, powered with a 6.0 gas engine. I wish only to haul my own equipment for weekend stuff, i.e. farm sales, odd jobs around friends and family homes. Lagest machine is IH 240 and 4000 ford.

What type would be best,Skid steer trailer, Over the wheel bed, Pintel hook or Ball hitch ???

I was considering an 18 footer, 96" wide. Which is better surge brakes or electric brakes?

What is the difference between the Pintel hitch and the ball hitch in performance, any advatages or disadvanatages??? Safety concerns etc.?????
Thanks in advance for your help.

Ed

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bOB

04-19-2004 14:37:47




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 Re: What trailer is best for hauling tractors? in reply to Trailering Newbie, 04-14-2004 18:53:49  
Try some of the trailer web sites or call your dealer. They make both fifth wheel and gooseneck (ball) type pins. You want to be sure they are installed with the correct torque. I called the local dealer and he said he kept 1 fifth wheel pin in stock just for that reason. May be that some trailers are not made to convert but check around.



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chuck

04-15-2004 06:38:13




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 Re: What trailer is best for hauling tractors? in reply to Trailering Newbie, 04-14-2004 18:53:49  
Does any one know if they make a trailer that is a true fifth wheel hitch set for a flat bed trailer. I have a fifth wheel set up in my truck bed and I like the ease of hooking up a fifth wheel set up. I guess what I am looking for is a trailer like a goose neck but with a fifth wheel hook up. Any web sites would help.



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ted

04-15-2004 22:26:25




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 Re: Re: What trailer is best for hauling tractors? in reply to chuck, 04-15-2004 06:38:13  
At work we have a reversed fifth wheel setup. Kingpin in the bed (pushes down when not used) and hitch on the trailer. It is made by Binkley. Somebody makes a hitch that you can switch between a kingpin and a ball, would be handy if you switched trailers a lot. Vac/hyd brakes are nice. Never used elect/hyd, may be an improvement.



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Yes fifth wheel

04-15-2004 22:03:30




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 Re: Re: What trailer is best for hauling tractors? in reply to chuck, 04-15-2004 06:38:13  
Yes. they make with 5th wheel hook ups too. Not sure of the exact web site but try gooseneck.com. Or search for gooseneck. There is a company in Texas that is named "gooseneck". They make both. Bet they could sue for others using their name. I saw one of their older trailer once and it was a good one.



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buickanddeere

04-15-2004 05:55:34




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 Re: What trailer is best for hauling tractors? in reply to Trailering Newbie, 04-14-2004 18:53:49  
Opinions and intended usage play a major role here. Personally I'm looking for a deck over to avoid loosing space/ not being able to drive between wheel wells. Max legal 102" wide to limit rear tractor wheel overhang. Stake pockets for racks if cattle etc are ever hauled. Long enough to load a tractor and implement or two tractor nose to nose. Double 7000+lb axles rather than triple to limit stress/ ease turning. Electric brakes on both axles with a proportional controller for simplicity. I’m partial to a plank deck as it’s quieter and provides a wee bit of cushion/spring. I'm stuck with a pintle hitch to get over the 10,000lb 2-5/16" as the truck has a cap preventing 5th wheel usage. The trailer can also be tractor towed with the pintle hitch without using a 5th wheel adaptor off the three point hitch.

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Slowpoke

04-19-2004 01:04:48




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 Re: Re: What trailer is best for hauling tractors? in reply to buickanddeere, 04-15-2004 05:55:34  
Reese makes a pintle hitch that uses interchangeable balls of 1-7/8, 2 & 2-5/16 inches.
You have both types of hitch in one. I think the rating of the smallest pintle hitch is 16,000 lbs. Check Northern Tool or a good auto supply.



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VADAVE

04-15-2004 04:17:04




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 Re: What trailer is best for hauling tractors? in reply to Trailering Newbie, 04-14-2004 18:53:49  
Let me jump in here.
Agree with IDF it's a balanced package, you really don't want more trailer then your truck can stop. The 3/4 ton HD is rated around 12,000 with the 6.0 engine. That will is going to work some. The trailer package you have included (I think) a connector at the back mounted beside the receiver and is probably a 7 blade connector. One of those is for a brake controller. The package also included the harness and instructions for hooking up a brake controller in the cab. At least mine did when I bought it.
Brakes are essential. Surge brakes are sorta like an after thought which really makes them undesirable. Electric brakes are OK if you use the trailer regularly. What you will notice, after the trialer has set awhile, is that there will be little or no braking for awhile. The rust has to be scrubbed off the brake magnet. May I suggest installing electric over hydraulic brakes. You will have brakes every time you need them. They work by having a small pump on the trailer, controlled by the brake controller, and brakes on the wheels like are on your truck (either drum or disc). In fact if you have surge brakes it is easy to switch--just install the pump.
I recently purchased a 20,000 gvw trialer with vacumn over hydraulic brakes and am switching to electric over hydraulic. That's alot more trailer then I need but I won't overload it and with the brakes I'll get her stopped.

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Indydirtfarmer

04-15-2004 03:51:17




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 Re: What trailer is best for hauling tractors? in reply to Trailering Newbie, 04-14-2004 18:53:49  
A trailer is just one component in a "set". You can have the best and the biggest trailer around, and not have enough truck. It's a balanced package. The truck is the most important part of the equation. You need wieght, wieght hauling capacity, brakes, tires, and hitch. A light truck will just get shoved around by a trailer loaded too heavy. I would try to find a trailer that would handle no more than double the GVW of your truck. That's pushing the safe limits. Pintle hook hitches are intended for heavy loads. There are pintle hitch trailers, as well as the pintle hitch itself, that aren't so heavy. For the most part, they are heavy duty though. A GOOD ball hitch (class III, or class IV) will handle most any trailer in the "hauling range" you need. I'm an advocate for gooseneck trailers. They will handle a load MUCH better than an equivilent bumper hitch trailer. They allow you to scale some of your tongue wieght on the FRONT wheels of your truck. That makes for a much better, and safer ride. No more bobbing up and down with dips in the road. I have a 25'+4' Ridgeline gooseneck. It's a 14000 lb GVW trailer. I pull it with an '04 Dodge 3/4 ton, with 24v Cummins. Lots of power, good wieght, ample brakes. The biggest load I've hauled so far, is around 20,000 GVW. If you can afford it, go "over-kill" with truck, trailer, and hitch. That'll keep you safe, legal, and give you room for "future expansion". By the way, should you go with a gooseneck, I'd highly recommend the B & W "Hide-A-Ball" hitch. Very well made, and you still have your pick-up bed, should you need it. John

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KEG

04-14-2004 22:28:46




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 Re: What trailer is best for hauling tractors? in reply to Trailering Newbie, 04-14-2004 18:53:49  
I agree with the recommendation for electric brakes. That's what I have.

Recently rented a mini excavator with surge brakes on their trailer. Going down a hill in the rain, put on the brakes and just started sliding. Since the surge brakes only work when the pulling truck pushes back, I basically had no brakes and barely made it out of that situation.

Electric brakes will let you adjust the amount of braking force irrespective of your pulling truck's brakes.
Good luck,
KEG

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bob

04-14-2004 22:08:45




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 Re: What trailer is best for hauling tractors? in reply to Trailering Newbie, 04-14-2004 18:53:49  
They're right about gooseneck hidden ball or 5th wheel. I have Econoline tilt-bed 6-ton tandem with single wheels. The front 5' of the deck is stationary & back 16' tilts. It is 1997 & paid $3200 at auction. Pulled with Chevy 2500 6.0 & man. trans. Tilt bed makes it easy to load anything anywhere & you can attach winch to drag anything on that cant load itself. For specs search for Econoline trailer website & look at landscape trailers.

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Shane

04-14-2004 19:52:47




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 Re: What trailer is best for hauling tractors? in reply to Trailering Newbie, 04-14-2004 18:53:49  
I agree on the 5th wheel or gooseneck but if you can't do that a ball hitch will work fine. The Pintle is for serious weight, don't think there is any advantage to them. I would go with electric brakes and a brake controler with digital readout, they are very easy to use and set for empty and loaded trailer. A between the wheel trailer is lower but narrower and will be a bit safer but a topdeck is handier and easier to load large non-driveable stuff... pallets or steel or whatever.

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old

04-14-2004 19:33:20




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 Re: What trailer is best for hauling tractors? in reply to Trailering Newbie, 04-14-2004 18:53:49  
I'd go with a 5th wheel or goose kneck. I've hauled tractors that size on car haulers and they work ok but thats all you can put on it. As far as brakes both have good and bad points, my self I wish they made a set up for air brakes but so far haven't seen them, but maybe I'll just have to make it LOL. My $.02 worth



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