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Scott Bishop

03-22-2004 09:59:00




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I want to dig a 18" deep trench several hundred feet long for a field tile. Could I dig this trench with a Middle Buster From TSC? Or would a one bottom plow work better. Any advice appreciated.




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Andy

03-23-2004 09:22:01




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 Re: Trench in reply to Scott Bishop, 03-22-2004 09:59:00  
Check out this link. Might work for you...



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paul

03-22-2004 14:38:38




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 Re: Trench in reply to Scott Bishop, 03-22-2004 09:59:00  
So many times people get unwanted opinions - so, don't mean to be rude, but I have to ask & comment:

Do you want the bottom of the trench 18", or the top of the tile 18" deep? Either way is quite shallow, around here it does not pay to lay tile if it isn't 24" deep to top. It will be wrecked in short time if it's that shallow. Livestock & tractors will crush it, gophers will play with it, frost will heave it (I'm in Minnesota...) and any tillage will snag it.

Now, you can do small pipe with the middle buster deal, might have to make several passes to work that deep, can even pull it right in with a little clevis or boot on the bottom of the buster.

BUT, you didn't mention how big a pipe & how sturdy you are using. Soft squishy corrigated tile in hard soils probably won't pull...

A plow will make a nice channel to 12", but hard to get much deeper than that, you'd need to plow away a few passes & go deeper - end up with more of a 'V' shape wider than your tractor to refill than a single trench. Kinda messy, but you could get 18" deep or a bit more if that's the bottom of the trench.

This is just my opinion, tile laying is probably a little different here in Minnesota hard yellow clay than in other places so take it for what it's worth. :)

--->Paul

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Scott Bishop

03-22-2004 19:06:28




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 Re: Re: Trench in reply to paul, 03-22-2004 14:38:38  
I have a new home, finished in December. I am looking to run drain tile from my eaves out to the field. There is a good slope. Depth is not that critical for what I am doing. I would just like to get the top of the tile 12" under ground. Soft sandy loam soil, no clay. Would the middle buster do it, with a few passes?
Thanks for responding.



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Craig

03-23-2004 19:00:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Trench in reply to Scott Bishop, 03-22-2004 19:06:28  
I did this at my house to help dry up the basement. I ended up using the black corrugated pipe wrapped with a sock like material. I ran one from each downspout about 20' solid to get away from the house, then 25' perforated for drainage. I ended up going 3.5' deep to the top of the pipe (so I could drive the tractor over it) and surrounded it with about 3" of gravel.
I also dug a 1' diameter drywell about 4-5' deep at the end and filled it with the rocks I unearthed punching the trench. I highly recommend doing this, you can use a 3pt auger maybe.
I looked at a middle buster but those available at TSC wont get very deep. I ended up using an old sub-soiler to break up the first 12" or so and dug the rest with a mattock and shovel.
All this in thick TN red clay. It's hard, hard work.
Unless you are low on funds and young/stupid like myself I would consider hiring/renting a backhoe and save your back.
Go plenty deep so you dont have to mess with it again for a long time. It's been 3 years and my gutters havent backed up yet. I think the sock and gravel are an absolute necessity to keep out silt. If I had it to do over again I would line the trench with geo-textile before putting in the gravel and pipe.
On the plus side, all the digging I did by drop light after work seems to have made an impression on the neighbors as they keep their distance now and stay off my land.

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