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mud

03-16-2004 08:36:20




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what is the most weight you would haul with a pintle type hitch pulling with a one ton single rear wheel truck. diesel with stick. electric brakes and three axles on a 20 foot trailer rated 9 ton.




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Dave-O

03-17-2004 21:19:24




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 Re: hauling question - tractor in reply to mud, 03-16-2004 08:36:20  
The general rule of thumb for a ball trailer, as I was told, was 25% of the weight should be on the tongue.

A bit of research on pintle hitches (pintal is a misspelling, do a google.com search), seems to yield that a 10k weight should throw 2k of tongue weight.

You have 2 issues: tongue weight and overall.

If your truck is rated at 10k overall towing cap that means 10k of truck and trailer. A trailer that WEIGHS 2k and can hold 10k of weight has and overall of 12k.

That means you are screwed according to the basics. 2k overweight and you will be pushing your truck to the very limit. That's 20% more than what your truck is rated at.

Granted, Ford and every other manufacturer underrates their vehicles. Little known fact: the only difference between a F250 and an F350 is the sticker. Seriously. I was a contractor at Ford for the engineering teams that made the stickers until January. So, you could probably push it and be ok. The major issues will be your tranny and axles. I'd worry more about the tranny.

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Kevin (FL)

03-16-2004 21:16:27




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 Re: hauling question - tractor in reply to mud, 03-16-2004 08:36:20  
Your truck should have a CGVW of about 20,000#'s. Your trailer probably weighs about 3000#, your truck about 7000#'s. That leaves about 10,000#'s load on the trailer. Adjust the weights I "guessed at" and you can get a pretty close number of what you can haul. For short trips close to home, you could go higher, but I'm figuring on a long haul...With our F350 SRW, we pull a 20,000# GVW GN trailer, but can't really load the trailer to it's capacity since it would exceed the rating of the truck. In the Ford power stroke, the weak link in the drivetrain is the clutch/pressure plate. We've towed close to 26,000#'s (including truck weight) before, but that was a special case off-road.

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mud

03-17-2004 04:11:09




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 Re: Re: hauling question - tractor in reply to Kevin (FL), 03-16-2004 21:16:27  
that is very helpful information. we will be towing just under 9,000 lbs. i will watch the clutch also. it is the 6 speed trans. thank you for the answer.



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john

03-17-2004 04:59:53




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 Re: Re: Re: hauling question - tractor in reply to mud, 03-17-2004 04:11:09  
After reading this post I would say your hitch is going to be the week point.
A 9000 lb load on a 3000 lb trailer (12,000 lbs) being pulled by a 10,000 lb hitch. Hope you do not plan on going to far.
JUST MY 2¢



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mud

03-17-2004 05:54:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: hauling question - tractor in reply to john, 03-17-2004 04:59:53  
meant to saw my combined load will be 9,000 lbs.
still, i will be taking it easy.



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John *.?-!.* cub owner

03-16-2004 09:43:44




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 Re: hauling question - tractor in reply to mud, 03-16-2004 08:36:20  
Definitly not an expert on this, but the first thing to do is check your owners manual, or manufacturers web site for the maximum towed load for the truck. The second thing to take into consideration is how is the pintle attached. Is it attached to a frame type hitch assembly, or is it bolted to a step bumper? Most step bumpers are not supposed to pull more than about 3,000 pounds. I nearly learned about that the hardway several years ago, when the generator I was pulling for the local phone nearly pulled the bolt holes out of my step bumper. The genrator only weighed 3,000 pounds, but the axle was to far back, and had a 700 pound tongue weight.

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mudstuck

03-16-2004 14:31:44




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 Re: Re: hauling question - tractor in reply to John *.?-!.* cub owner, 03-16-2004 09:43:44  
my hitch is bolted to the frame (f-350) and is rated 10K my pintle is reciever type with solid shaft.



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