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IH 460 misfiring

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terry

03-11-2004 22:01:22




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Have a IH 460 with 95# compression on all cylinders that runs good but when the temp. outside is between 25 and 35 degrees the tractor runs as if the ignition is wet. I have stopped and replaced points, rotor, condenser, and distributor cap. Started it back up and still misses, but if temp is colder or warmer it runs fine. If someone has ideas it would be really appreciated. Thank you




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doug stockman

03-13-2004 03:15:15




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 Re: IH 460 misfiring in reply to terry , 03-11-2004 22:01:22  
Greetings:

I just had a problem with my 1959 IH 460U. I went overboard with the solutions, but it is working well now, except I have to time the thing and there are no marks left on the crankshaft pulley.

There is a weighted shutter between the intake and exhaust manifold. The shutter basically diverts exhaust gases to preheat the intake manifold when the engine is cold. I suspect the intake manifold getting hot keeps the attached carburator from icing up. On the outside of the manifold should be a small shaft with a spiral spring. As the spring warms up, the shutter is opened so exhaust gases no longer warm the intake manifold. That little piece of spring cost about $25 (ouch). Anyway, the weight should be reachable behind and just visible above the exhaust manifold. See if it is moving freely and that it moves as the engine warms up.

I hope this helps.

Doug Stockman
Penfield, NY

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T_Bone

03-12-2004 22:11:34




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 Re: IH 460 misfiring in reply to terry , 03-11-2004 22:01:22  
Hi Terry,

Real easy way to tell if a miss is fuel related or electrical related is to use a shot of propane in the intake.

A small coleman LP tank and needle vavle with a hose ran to the intake works well.

It the miss goes away when LP is added then it's fuel related.

If not then it's electrical or mechanical.

T_Bone



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Catskill Pete

03-11-2004 23:09:14




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 Re: IH 460 misfiring in reply to terry , 03-11-2004 22:01:22  
Just a thought but are you sure the problem is ignition? You might want to check to see if there is frost on your carb. Those tractors were a somewhat notorious for carb icing under those conditions, mine certainly was.



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terry

03-11-2004 23:17:13




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 Re: Re: IH 460 misfiring in reply to Catskill Pete, 03-11-2004 23:09:14  
You are right the carb does have frost on the outside when ever it is cooler. What do you do to correct that?



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Catkill Pete

03-12-2004 12:23:08




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 Re: Re: Re: IH 460 misfiring in reply to terry, 03-11-2004 23:17:13  
You might want to post this question on the Farmall board. Now I'm going to get myself in a whole lot of trouble,BUT I don't think gas line antifreeze will cure it [I could be wrong]. It doesn't seem to be the fuel that is the problem, instead it seems to be a combination of the size and shape of the carb venturi along with the temp and humidity of the air. The frost seems to be internal condensation freezing from the intake air. I will admit however that I'm no engineer. That said it seems to me that the "cure" is to supply heat to the intake air or the carb. I built a box from aluminum flashing to fit over the carb and trap the engine heat, It seemed to help but was not a cure all, however I swapped the tractor before I ever got around to experimenting more with it. Maybe somebody on the other board has come up with something more efficent.

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Scott Green

03-12-2004 14:19:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: IH 460 misfiring in reply to Catkill Pete, 03-12-2004 12:23:08  
Pete , if iceing up of the carb is the problem , then the gas line antifreeze containing isopropyl is the answer. Been doing this for 30 years. It shure is simple to add an extra .99 cents to a tank of gas , and forget it. If you don't believe this , spend .99 cents on a bottle of it. Check it out for your selves. IT WORKS! I can't stress this simple cure enough. I'm surprised how few people know this. Make shure the gas line antifreeze contains "ISOPROPYL". The other gas line antifreeze , which contains (methanol?) , does not work.

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Scott Green

03-12-2004 02:56:56




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 Re: Re: Re: IH 460 misfiring in reply to terry, 03-11-2004 23:17:13  
Terry , put gas line anti-freeze in the gas tank. Make shure you use the kind with isopropyl. Then forget about that problem. Let us know how you make out.



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terry

03-16-2004 16:03:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: IH 460 misfiring in reply to Scott Green, 03-12-2004 02:56:56  
I tried the isopropl deicer and it does help, but that valve between intake and exhaust manifold is locked up tight so if I fix that it will probably solve the problem. This is the first time I used this sight and there is alot of great ideas. I will be back here more often. thank you all.



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RN

03-12-2004 00:33:43




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 Re: Re: Re: IH 460 misfiring in reply to terry, 03-11-2004 23:17:13  
Could try to make an intake preheater. Tube over muffler 2 inches wider than muffler with 1/2 - 1inch diameter metal door springs inside wrapped around muffler, T fitting on tube with hose leading to air cleaner intake. Wrap with duct tape so intake sucks warmed air from muffler area to carburator. Also wrap some sheet metal around intake and exhaust manifold so exhaust warms intake a bit. Old 'heat houser's keep warm air around engine before warming driver. could make engine side curtain like old Oliver Saw this on a M with a snow plow years back. RN.

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RAB

03-11-2004 22:26:24




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 Re: IH 460 misfiring in reply to terry , 03-11-2004 22:01:22  
How about the plug leads?
Regards, RAB



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terry

03-11-2004 22:31:22




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 Re: Re: IH 460 misfiring in reply to RAB, 03-11-2004 22:26:24  
Hi RAB, replaced wires and plugs also.
thanks



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RAB

03-14-2004 00:17:38




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 Re: Re: Re: IH 460 misfiring in reply to terry , 03-11-2004 22:31:22  
Thought you might have at least checked them out, but I always look for the simple remedy/fault first. It's surprising how often things are assumed, either because they are new or simply overlooked. Btw what was the outcome?
Regards,RAB



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LB

03-12-2004 04:50:07




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 Re: Re: Re: IH 460 misfiring in reply to terry , 03-11-2004 22:31:22  
Maybe you can put a Heat Houser type cab on the tractor. I had an uncle that always had one on his WD Allis during the winter. Canvas that covers the sides of the engine from the hood to the frame then goes back to the fenders with a windshield in front of the steering wheel. Not as good as a cab but it helps keep the tractor/engine and you a bit warmer.



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