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How do I test a regulator or generator?

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Luke

02-16-2004 05:37:47




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Hello, I have a tractor that will not stay charged here lately. I unhooked a battery cable while it was running and it died, which narrowed it down to the gen. or regulator. Is there a method I can use with my multimeter or something to test the regulator? If I know it is bad then I won't have to take the generator off to get fixed or tested elsewhere. The tractor is a 730 JD gas if anyone needs specs (I believe the charging system uses delco parts) Any information would be appreciated. Thanks!

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buickanddeere

02-16-2004 11:40:29




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 Re: How do I test a regulator or generator? in reply to Luke, 02-16-2004 05:37:47  
A Dc dynamo doesn't care if it's used as a generator or motor. As long as rpms,temp and current isn't exceeded. We are assuming here the entire circuit from the battery, ammeter to the regulator battery terminal is intact. Remove the fan belt and connect the battery cable at the battery, the generator should not turn. If it does the cut-out in the regulator is welded closed or way out of adjustment. Take a piece of plastic or wood and close the cut-out contacts, generator should rotate at a modest speed (biggest set of contacts). If not the generator or regulator is suspect. If the generator rotates when jumpered from the regulator "B" battery to the generator's "A" post . The regulator is at fault. If the generator still won't rotate, take it out for rebuilding. If the generator rotates back at the earlier step when pressing the cut-out contacts. It should speed up when the field contacts (small set) are held open with another piece of plastic. If a jumper from ground to the generator "F" post decreases generator speed when the regulator small contacts are still closed. The regulator is at fault. If the generator still motors at the same rpm with or without a true ground on the "F" terminal. The generator's field winding is done.

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Bob

02-16-2004 06:35:37




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 Re: How do I test a regulator or generator? in reply to Luke, 02-16-2004 05:37:47  
Test voltage at the battery with a multimeter.

Analog works best around spark-ignition engines because digital may freak out from the RF noise from the ignition system.

The charging, voltage at the battery should be between 13.8 and 14.5 Volts. If the battery has a reasonable amount of charge, but the charging system is not working, the battery voltage will be 12.5 Volts, or less.

If you read less than 13.5 volts at the battery, check from the "A" (armature) terminal on the generator to chassis ground.

If the voltage here is less than 13.5 Volts, connect a jumper wire from the "F" (field) terminal on the generator to chassis ground. (Make sure connections are clean.) This is known as full-fielding the generator, and should cause it to put out MAXIMUM Voltage. If it charges big time with the field grounded, suspect a broken wire, a broken ground strap or bad connection at the regulator, or a bad regulator.

If there is no output from the generator with the field terminal grounded, try POLARIZING the generator. ENGINE OFF. Momentarily connect a heavy-gauge jumper between the "BATT" and "A" terminals at the voltage regulator. (Sometimes the "A" terminal is labeled "GEN").

Start engine. If still no generator output with the "F" terminal grounded, you have a bad generator. Disassemble generator and check for worn or stuck brushes. Blow out dust and dirt with compressed air. Take a broken hacksaw blade, and grind it a little thinner in the tooth area, and carefully clean the slots between the copper bars on the commutator. Wrap a strip of sandpaper around the commutator, and lightly sand the commutator while turning the armature to get an even job all the way around. Blow the armature and commutator clean with compressed air.

A check with an ohmeter should show continuity between all commutator bars, and NO continutity from any of the commutator bars to the metal shaft of the armature.

Check for shorts from the "A" and "F" terminals to the metal housing of the generator. There should be continuity from the "A" terminal to the "F" terminal through the field windings. With an accurate ohmmeter, you should get a resistance through the fields of somewhere in the 5 - 15 ohms range. (I'm guessing at that reading, as I'm away from my reference books at the moment).

If brushes are good and able to move freely, and no obvious shorts are found, assemble the generator and reinstall it. Polarize it again and start tractor.

If it still does not work, there may be other problems inside the generator that will take more test equipment (a GROWLER) to find, so a trip to a repair shop will be in order!

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greenbeanman

02-16-2004 09:01:05




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 Re: Re: How do I test a regulator or generator? in reply to Bob, 02-16-2004 06:35:37  
Thanks, got it printed off for my own use.

Rather than dinking with the 6 volt system on my 1949 Chevy truck, I just switched it over to 12 volts. The battery was due for replacement anyway so the time was right when the charging system went out.



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Bob

02-16-2004 09:05:49




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 Re: Re: Re: How do I test a regulator or generator in reply to greenbeanman, 02-16-2004 09:01:05  
GBMan,

What I posted is good for Delco and several other systems. Some Ford and Autolite, etc. generators are internally connected in a so-called "type "B" system, and are full-fielded by connecting the "A" and "F" terminals, so be sure of what sytem you are dealing with.



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greenbeanman

02-16-2004 09:31:02




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: How do I test a regulator or gener in reply to Bob, 02-16-2004 09:05:49  
I used to know how to do testing. I grew up around General Motors products mostly, but in the mid '60s I bought a 1959 Ford.

Like you said, Autolite is different, I remember a little wiring going "poof" one night when I was adjusting the regulator.



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kraig WY

02-16-2004 06:16:01




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 Re: How do I test a regulator or generator? in reply to Luke, 02-16-2004 05:37:47  
Its really easy. Put your volt meter (mulitmeater)on DC volts. Hook it up to your battery while the tractor is shut off, on a 12 volt system it should read 12 volts, fire up the tractor and the volt meter should read about 14.4 - 14.6.



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greenbeanman

02-16-2004 06:20:53




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 Re: Re: How do I test a regulator or generator? in reply to kraig WY, 02-16-2004 06:16:01  
Wouldn't your method just test the generating system rather than the generator OR regulator?

I am guessing his is wanting to isolate the problem.



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John

02-16-2004 06:42:41




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 Re: Re: Re: How do I test a regulator or generator in reply to greenbeanman, 02-16-2004 06:20:53  
I would guess that is what he wants also. I know how to do it on my system but do not know if his is the same.

On mine you check by.....
You take the red wire loose from A term. Connect the pos lead of a ammeter to the A term. Connect the neg lead of the ammeter to the red wire. Use a jummper to jump the A term. to the field term. Start engine and idle up. If ammeter shows a charge the regulator is bad. If no charge genarator is bad.

But again I will say this is how you check my system and I do not know if his the same.

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Bob

02-16-2004 07:16:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: How do I test a regulator or gener in reply to John , 02-16-2004 06:42:41  
John,

The Delco system on the Deere has the opposite internal connections in the generator from what you describe. As I stated before Ground the "F" terminal for maximum charge.

On this system connectong "F" terminal to "A" terminal would guarantee NO CHARGE!



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