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Scott in SC

02-11-2004 04:51:59

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My Dad and I go to quite a few farm equipment auctions. While we were attending one last Saturday, I saw a gentleman, with a 5 or 6 year old boy, walk up to a tractor, stand right in front of the rear wheel, and reach over and turn the key. The young boy was standing right beside him, right up against the tractor. The tractor started right up,was in reverse, and was at about 3/4 throttle. It rolled up onto the rear of another tractor behind it, and nearly turned over. It did not stall, but it sat there and spun its wheels on the rear of the other tractor, and bounced around quite a bit. The guy that started the tractor just stood there in amazement, and had no idea how to shut the tractor down. I ran over and shut it off.I guess a lot of us are guilty of doing this very same thing, but this incident shows us why we shouldn't. Had this tractor been in a foreward gear, instead of reverse, the man and his son would almost certainly have been injured.

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Loren

02-12-2004 17:28:15

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Re: I wondered when this would happen in reply to Scott in SC, 02-11-2004 04:51:59

I could easily be in that category if I hadn't fixed it. Bought a 77 Standard that didn't have a choke cable. Needed the work done and couldn't find the non- steel to steel cable I wanted so I just dealt with it. That meant standing in front of the rear tire stretching fore to reach the carb, stretching aft to reach the start button. Sure works nice with all the proper equiptment in place and am glad I am telling this instead of another tale.

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fixerupper

02-12-2004 16:16:52

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Re: I wondered when this would happen in reply to Scott in SC, 02-11-2004 04:51:59

It's beginning to look like some of us have a bad case of winter cabin fever. I thought this forum was intended to be an avenue that we can use to help each other. Instead it's turning into a contest of who can make the most dispariging remarks about people. None of us is perfect and maybe, just maybe, we can continue to use this site as a way to help our fellow man instead of degrading him. Let's concentrate on the good qualities of our fellow men and women.

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jimNCal

02-11-2004 21:22:05

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Re: I wondered when this would happen in reply to Scott in SC, 02-11-2004 04:51:59

Reading this thread has convinced me the human gene pool could use a bit more chlorine. Safety first! Everything comes along just fine after!

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Jim.UT

02-12-2004 09:44:17

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Re: Re: I wondered when this would happen in reply to jimNCal, 02-11-2004 21:22:05

I hear ya. Sometimes I wonder if OSHA and all the other safety-conscious regulations haven't circumvented natural selection.

I'm all for safety, but I wonder about forced safety. Maybe the species would be better off with a few more accidents to weed out the terminally stupid.

The tractor owner needs to wise up about leaving the key in his tractor when it's on public display, too.

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Brokenwrench

02-12-2004 13:44:33

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Re: Re: Re: I wondered when this would happen in reply to Jim.UT, 02-12-2004 09:44:17

The "terminally stupid" are what keep all the lawyers in business.

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Rusty Jones

02-12-2004 14:46:28

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Re: Re: Re: Re: I wondered when this would happen in reply to Brokenwrench, 02-12-2004 13:44:33

If anybody is wondering about the "Gene pool" get on the internet and access "The Darwin Awards"! You'll soon see what we're up against! RJ

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Bill R

02-12-2004 16:27:43

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I wondered when this would hap in reply to Rusty Jones, 02-12-2004 14:46:28

You know they say the worst thing about the gene pool is that there's no lifeguard :)

Bill R

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Mike

02-11-2004 16:15:12

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Re: I wondered when this would happen in reply to Scott in SC, 02-11-2004 04:51:59

Its gotten to the point here in the NE that most sales now remove the keys and frown upon anyone starting equipment before the sale. To many wanna be weekend warriors,yuppy horse heads,and alot of people that should not be in any contact whatsoever with a piece of motorized equipment, doing just what you saw.

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Taylor Lambert

02-11-2004 16:10:15

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Re: I wondered when this would happen in reply to Scott in SC, 02-11-2004 04:51:59

I was at an auction a few months ao and the autioneers assistant/ buddy got on a D20 or 21 Komatsu dozer just a little machine but its also very quick. I offered t operate the construction equipment since Im an operator. They told me that any idiot could run a dozer. He hopped on it and the throttle had been previously pulled back wide open. H had stared 2 powershift machines in gear all ready but the sat there till he rease the brakes. About the time the crowd gathered around the machine the fella hopped on it and didnt makes sure the straight shift was in neutral it He pulled it back before into a gear he thought was first but it was high. When he started it it ran forward 5 feet he panicked and grabbed the left steering lever thenwent around and round in the crowd. he finally got choked it down with the foot brake. He came within inches of running over several folks.

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Jimmy King

02-12-2004 10:44:49

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Re: Re: I wondered when this would happen in reply to Taylor Lambert, 02-11-2004 16:10:15

Did you remind him that any idiot can operate a dozer, and that he must be number one on the list.

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fixerupper

02-11-2004 16:05:23

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Re: I wondered when this would happen in reply to Scott in SC, 02-11-2004 04:51:59

If I remember right, my neighbor's 630 Case from the early 60's had the starter switch in the gear shift.

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Howard Yoshida

02-11-2004 11:18:03

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Re: I wondered when this would happen in reply to Scott in SC, 02-11-2004 04:51:59

Aloha, When I was at an machinery auction, I saw this gentleman turning the ignition key while standing on the side of the forklift. It lurched backward and didn't start so I guess he let go of the key and it stopped. It's a good thing that it didn't start. The key should not have been in the ignition and like the other poster said, a staff member should have started the tractor for him.

Mahalo,
Howard

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David811B

02-11-2004 10:48:59

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Re: I wondered when this would happen in reply to Scott in SC, 02-11-2004 04:51:59

I got a broken shoulder from starting my tractor like that-It's not worth it.-David

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Willy-N Gun Show!

02-11-2004 09:23:43

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Re: I wondered when this would happen in reply to Scott in SC, 02-11-2004 04:51:59

I was at a Gun Show once and there was this Mini Machine Gun made out of a 22 rifle and was belt fed. You cranked it to fire it. It was up on a counter with a belt of ammo in it! Some guy walked by and cranked it and fired off several rounds!!! Man you should have seen people drop to the floor. Lucky it was in a up pointed posision or several people would have been hit. I allways wonderd why the guy left it loaded and the guy fired it off??? Real stupid people in this world I wonder how some get to be adults! Mark H.

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don h

02-11-2004 20:50:27

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Re: Re: I wondered when this would happen in reply to Willy-N Gun Show!, 02-11-2004 09:23:43

Studipity has been increasing because modern medicine has saved stupid people. They used to die from there stupid tricks. Now they live and breed.:)

Don

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JD 5020 guy

02-11-2004 08:21:26

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Re: I wondered when this would happen in reply to Scott in SC, 02-11-2004 04:51:59

Last summer I was at an auction that had a NH TR 87 combine. The owner of the combine got into the combine to start it. There were guys standing behind the right drive wheel for shade and to BS. Somebody must have left the combine in gear because the owner started it and the combine sort of lunged backward almost running over 4 or 5 people. Luckly the guy in the cab stopped it in time.

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ray

02-11-2004 08:00:53

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Re: I wondered when this would happen in reply to Scott in SC, 02-11-2004 04:51:59

I don't own a tractor you can start without the tranny in neutral or at the minimum having the clutch in. Granted my largest tractor is only 40hp. Guy ain't the sharpest knife in the drawer and that sounds like a design flaw. Why would you want a feature where you could start a tractor in gear?--granted I've wired a few things to move around via the starter motor when in a mess.

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tinman

02-11-2004 14:34:35

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Re: Re: I wondered when this would happen in reply to ray, 02-11-2004 08:00:53

Our dumb*** neighbor has drove himself over 4 times with his 4020!!!!

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That's funny

02-11-2004 18:33:50

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Re: Re: Re: I wondered when this would happen in reply to tinman, 02-11-2004 14:34:35

I run myself over 4 times and I has the same tractor. My dumb *** neighbor won't stop givin me heck about it!

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Fixerupper

02-11-2004 09:38:13

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Re: Re: I wondered when this would happen in reply to ray, 02-11-2004 08:00:53

I Always put the tractor in park or neutral when I shut it off and I am accustomed to having it in neutral or park when I start it the next time. Well, my dad drove one of the tractors and left it in gear when he shut it off. Next day I hopped in the cab of that tractor, in my usual hurry, just to start it to warm it up and I let the clutch out after it started without checking to see if it was in neutral. When the tractor lurched I instantly pushed in the clutch again but not after the tractor had traveled six feet and hit the end of a corn head. A neutral switch would have prevented the tractor from taking advantage of my stupidity. This happened
in 1977 and I still have it in the back on my mind when I start a vehicle with a clutch.

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Marcel

02-11-2004 08:07:48

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Re: Re: I wondered when this would happen in reply to ray, 02-11-2004 08:00:53

You must own lawn tractors.Any tractor I've seen made more than 15 years ago including under 40 hp can start in gear.

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DuaneWKKC

02-12-2004 05:07:46

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Re: Re: Re: I wondered when this would happen in reply to Marcel, 02-11-2004 08:07:48

I have a 1966 Oliver 1650, wont turn the motor over if not in neutral AND clutch fully depressed.

DuaneW.

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Dieselrider

02-11-2004 16:00:14

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Re: Re: Re: I wondered when this would happen in reply to Marcel, 02-11-2004 08:07:48

1984 AC 6140, that is 20 years old, has a start position on the shifter and cannot be started in gear.It is 40 hp. 1979 JD 2640, that's 25 years old, has to be in park or nuetral to start. It is 70 hp. I don't know how these machines would be to try pull starting them as I've never had to.... yet.

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tlak

02-11-2004 11:23:58

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Re: Re: Re: I wondered when this would happen in reply to Marcel, 02-11-2004 08:07:48

I have a 1959 ford 641 that has a nuetral start button. Its a simple factory set up. The start button is on top of the trans with a spike on the buttom that goes through a hole when the trans is in nuetral allowing the start system to have a ground and start.

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buickanddeere

02-11-2004 09:49:14

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Re: Re: Re: I wondered when this would happen in reply to Marcel, 02-11-2004 08:07:48

On both the garden tractors the previous owners had defeated the safety start & attachment interlocks.

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ray

02-11-2004 08:25:20

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Re: Re: Re: I wondered when this would happen in reply to Marcel, 02-11-2004 08:07:48

My ford 2000,4000 series don't start in gear. Neither do my JD's or Yanmars. You have to have the clucth in or the transmission in neutral at the minimum. The 2000 is almost 40 years old.

Things sold to homeowners usually have even more safety stuff. I still don't see why I'd want a tractor to start in gear.

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paul

02-11-2004 08:30:37

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Re: Re: Re: Re: I wondered when this would happen in reply to ray, 02-11-2004 08:25:20

Pull-start, or roll it down a hill to start it. Do that a lot with the hills I have.

I was going to say, you have new tractors or Fords. all the other brands don't have interlocks until fairly reciently.

All depends on your mindset. City consumers are so ued to being swaddled in all the safty stuff, they don't think for themselves. To work with older farm equipment, you need to think as you act. Gets pretty difficult to maintain all the safty interlocks on the new tractors - now that have seat switches - blah!

--->Paul

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thurlow

02-11-2004 19:11:31

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I wondered when this would hap in reply to paul, 02-11-2004 08:30:37

Lots of folks on here claim to have (or their neighbor or second cousin has) a tractor that WILL NOT START IN GEAR; such an animal may exist, but in the 52 years I've been driving tractors and farm equipment, I've never seen one. Not saying they don't exist, but..... .what FARMER (didn't say a fellow who owns a tractor)or MECHANIC (didn't say a fellow who's restoring an old tractor) hasn't at one time or another shorted the posts on the starter or starter solenoid to start it when time was short and nothing else would work. Certainly it's not recommended and it's a good way to get yourself killed, but it's been done and it'll be done again.....

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B West

02-11-2004 16:21:28

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I wondered when this would hap in reply to paul, 02-11-2004 08:30:37

What paul said happens all over the USA. We are babyed and can not think for ourselves. This is directly the fault of the trial lawyer, and either stupid, or geady people. I try to keep all safety items in place. If I were to sell my tractor or other equipment and someone got hurt on it, who knows it might come back on me. But some have gotten rediculous. Like the JD 455 lawn tractor I have, the mower deck will quit when you back up unless you pull up on the engaugement knob! How dumb is that.

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B West

02-11-2004 16:20:18

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ray

02-11-2004 08:58:04

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I wondered when this would hap in reply to paul, 02-11-2004 08:30:37

You can still pull start and roll start the tractors. The lock out is electrical prevents the circuit to the starter from being completed.

I roll start the 6 volts once in a while.

You still hear stories/rumor about people (urban legend?) being run over trying to jump start a tractor that was in gear. (Voltage applied to starter)

--some consider 40hp gas tractors lawn tractors...depends on what you do with them.

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02-11-2004 11:25:02

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I wondered when this would in reply to ray, 02-11-2004 08:58:04

It does happen - I know somebody that did that not the brightest guy I know.

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bob

02-11-2004 21:29:57

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I wondered when this w in reply to CJ, 02-11-2004 11:25:02

One of the guys at tractor auction has been ran over 3 times by people on tractors that were supposed to have been in neutral when he crossed the solenoid.

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Van in AR

02-11-2004 07:45:45

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Re: I wondered when this would happen in reply to Scott in SC, 02-11-2004 04:51:59

They need a no touch policy for safety. If you want to hear it run a staff member should be required to start it for you. That was his lucky day and is lucky him or his son are not dead. Fools everywhere, be carful out there,
Van

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Jonathan

02-11-2004 07:12:22

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Re: I wondered when this would happen in reply to Scott in SC, 02-11-2004 04:51:59

I went to a farm auction a couple years ago and saw an old man checking out a Ford TW25 4wd. I'm not sure what exactly happened, but I think maybe he thought he had it in a foward gear and it was really reverse, or maybe it had a powershift joystick like a Ford 8730 and the old man bumped it into reverse by accident, I don't know, but unfortunatly somebody had parked their pickup just a few feet behind the tractor and the tractor slammed into it and then started to climb it before he figgured out how to stop it.

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Robert

02-11-2004 06:41:23

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Re: I wondered when this would happen in reply to Scott in SC, 02-11-2004 04:51:59

When my boys were little, I spent lots of time telling them to "look with their eyes, and NOT their hands".
Long before I ever even tried to start my JD A, I read and re-read the owner's manual, trying to familiarize myself with the controls. Lots of people out there don't have a clue as to "what's what" when it comes to machinery....

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Fern(Mi)

02-11-2004 06:39:36

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Re: I wondered when this would happen in reply to Scott in SC, 02-11-2004 04:51:59

His nerve could have hurt somebody. As much as I use equipment around here. I have to study each piece a few moments before I touch it, let alone start it.
I'd say some folks were mighty lucky you were there.
I'm shackened.

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Dave H (MI)

02-11-2004 18:38:03

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Re: Re: I wondered when this would happen in reply to Fern(Mi), 02-11-2004 06:39:36

Must be a Michigan thing. No matter how much I use my Farmall, I still take a moment and just look it all over one time before I pull the starter.

And I do it from the seat.

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mudstuck

02-11-2004 06:32:43

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Re: I wondered when this would happen in reply to Scott in SC, 02-11-2004 04:51:59

just readin about it sends chills down my back.
be careful out there.

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chet

02-11-2004 06:29:23

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Re: I wondered when this would happen in reply to Scott in SC, 02-11-2004 04:51:59

Sounds like prime candidates for a Darwin Award.

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rgrod

02-11-2004 11:56:42

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Re: Re: I wondered when this would happen in reply to chet, 02-11-2004 06:29:23

at a farm auction on a cold day ----- tractors running and a guy walks up to a SM and tells his friend how the PTO's sort of turn because of stiff oil even though they are out of gear on these tractors. The guy grabs the PTO to see if he can stop it with a glove on and it grabs his glove and pulls his thumb right out of the socket.Went to ER with thumb in the glove yet but I never did hear how it turned out.

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Chris Brown

02-11-2004 13:35:45

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Re: Re: Re: I wondered when this would happen in reply to rgrod, 02-11-2004 11:56:42

I've seen people do that. Dumb.

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