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Mark

02-10-2004 12:58:28




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Everyone seems to be dumping 4020's these days in the want ads. Am I missing something?




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hardscrabble

02-21-2004 17:06:18




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 Re: Just wondering why... in reply to Mark, 02-10-2004 12:58:28  
In my area(NW ND), after the 4020's became too small for fieldwork they all became loader tractors. Now they're losing that job to the 4430's and 1066's, etc. A 4020 could handle a large round hay bale almost as well as a 4430, but we rarely hear of front spindles breaking on a 4430. Also, the extra built-in weight and longer wheelbase eliminated the need for extra wheel weights to balance out the load.

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Mark

02-11-2004 06:00:54




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 Re: Just wondering why... in reply to Mark, 02-10-2004 12:58:28  
Had a 4020 a few years ago and had to sell to $$ help son.

After recovery, bought 4010. I did an inframe engine job on the 20, but the 10 had been completely gone through. Both were reasonally priced and I put loaders on both.

I can't afford a new tractor but need 80-100 hp. The Deere fills the bill beautifully. For around the place general work, I use the early '60's Fords. Love them too but I don't ask them to do what I ask of the Deere.....also the the only colors to survive in our area are green and blue. Need I say more. Parts for both are readily available..... wish that were so for other fine tractors that were mfg'd in that era.

I think 4020's numbered 260,000. With that quantity, you'll see some around.

These tractors are excellent machines and it's been said that the 20 was the finest tractor ever built..... maybe so.

Mark

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Ray,IN

02-10-2004 18:19:13




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 Re: Just wondering why... in reply to Mark, 02-10-2004 12:58:28  
The 4020 is arguably one of the best tractors of its size. They began production in the mid 60's, so most have been well used. They may be bought for quite reasonable prices, and if a guy stays alert a 4020 may be a real bargain. The quanity of used 4020's is likely related to the huge amount of them sold originally.



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Jon H

02-10-2004 18:12:17




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 Re: Just wondering why... in reply to Mark, 02-10-2004 12:58:28  
The 4020 is overrated for the money they sell for. Besides being 30-40 years old,you can buy a much better tractor like the 30 series with quiet,air conditioned sound guard cab and easier to drive quad range transmission and longer lasting wet clutch for very little more money.



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Mike M

02-12-2004 10:18:04




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 Re: Re: Just wondering why... in reply to Jon H, 02-10-2004 18:12:17  
UH-OH you just let the secret out ,now the 30 series will be untouchable.



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but as good???

02-11-2004 17:50:24




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 Re: Re: Just wondering why... in reply to Jon H, 02-10-2004 18:12:17  
are the 30's as good?? look at the 966 will not bring as much as a 806 or 856. Some of us like the older stuff



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Jon H

02-11-2004 20:36:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Just wondering why... in reply to but as good???, 02-11-2004 17:50:24  
What ever turns your crank. My tractors have to work for a living,I sometimes spend 18 hrs per day in them,not a parade queen or a collector toy in the bunch. A 4020 with the roll bar and no good AC in that tin box cab has to hold the record for the highest db level and the most heat ever experienced on a late 60's tractor. Compared to any model with soundguard body is absolutly no contest. Add to that the weird, battery destroying 24V floating ground electrics of the diesel,and the unreliable,fuel sucking,hard starting engine of the gas model. Add to that,the dry clutches that were usually full of oily gunk from that slow steering,leaky steering unit with the cracked/warped center casting. The 30-40-50 series were a tremendous improvment over the 10-20 series in productivity,reliability and operator comfort. I have operated and repaired those machines most of my life, I still own a 4020 and 4450 Deere. The idea that the 4020 was the best tractor of it's day are not true and the claim that they are the best tractor of all time is silly. They had slick styling,they were fairly easy to operate,and they had a powerfull but noisy and complicated CC hyd system,but certainly were not the best or most reliable at everything they did.

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Mike M

02-12-2004 10:31:08




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Just wondering why... in reply to Jon H, 02-11-2004 20:36:47  
You must of had to of worked on lots of tractors for little or no money to be so sour on one model ? I can see some valid observations you have made but,My GAS model is very good starting and the colder it gets the better it starts. Also please name for me a tractor model built in 1965 any better than a John Deere 4020 ?



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Jon H

02-12-2004 11:38:32




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Just wondering why... in reply to Mike M, 02-12-2004 10:31:08  
Not really sour on the early deere tractors as I still own and use them. I just have little patience for those who claim they were Gods greatest gift to mankind. They were pretty good tractors,but had their share of problems. As I stated,the 24V system was very flawed while most other brands used a reliable 12V system,the gas engines were incredible fuel hogs,the hydraulic pumps were very noisy and would overload the starter as it had to turn the engine AND power that pump as it climbed to 2000+ psi,The hydraulic valves and steering pumps were very complicated and in need of overhaul and precise adjustment every few years, or the valves would leak and constantly allow an impliment to creep up or down. Did I mention that you need to disconnect the hyd pump to replace a simple fan belt? Name anything better built in 65? well, the 806 has a more fuel efficient engine that was just as long lived as the 4020 engine,10,000+ hrs. Oliver had a much better transmission and hydropower system for use with pto equipment. Most any other brand had a stronger fron axle/spindle system than a 4020 if you mounted a front end loader. The syncro range tractors would not pump enough oil to fully raise a loader of the trans was not in nuetral with the clutch engaged to run the charge pump. The 4010-20 front spindles were the same as a 2 cyl 50-60-70 ? and very weak for loader work, a common conversion is to fit a case axle to them which eliminates the breakage. Other brands lacked some features deere had,but were far better in others. There is no best tractor,they all have their strong and weak points.

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