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Rusty metal, how to prep for paint

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Shane

02-05-2004 05:29:21




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I have an old trailer frame that I have rebuilt and now will need to paint it. But it is covered in surface rust and I don't want to sandblast it if at all possible so just what are the options to prep this thing?




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abane

02-06-2004 04:38:41




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 Re: Rusty metal, how to prep for paint in reply to Shane, 02-05-2004 05:29:21  
Sandblast it ,wash with good soap and water,prime it and paint it. Save yourself a lot of time and trouble.I've tried a lot of ways and blasting is by far the fastest and best and in the long run , the cheapest.My opinion.



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Keith-OR

02-05-2004 12:01:31




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 Re: Rusty metal, how to prep for paint in reply to Shane, 02-05-2004 05:29:21  
go to the archives in the Case tractor forum and do a search for F.I.T (Frank In Tallahasee) Has a real great website on rust removal and restoring old equipment..... Very interesting
PS. I have used zinc-oxide on rusty or bare trailer frames...but "EXTREMELY TOXIC" Need a really good resporator when sparying this paint
also it is neurial toxic (absorbs through the skin) be careful on the paint you use..READ the labels

Good luck

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Ben in KY

02-05-2004 13:30:40




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 Re: Re: Rusty metal, how to prep for paint in reply to Keith-OR, 02-05-2004 12:01:31  
Keith,
Can an individual still buy the zinc oxide stuff ? Yes it is very good, but I have not seen it on the shelves for several years.



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Ben in KY

02-05-2004 11:36:23




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 Re: Rusty metal, how to prep for paint in reply to Shane, 02-05-2004 05:29:21  
I have had good luck with Rustoleum rusty metal primer and topcoat paints. I just brush/sand the rusty areas. Degrease it all tan the paint on the rusty metal primer. Let it dry and paint on the Rustoleum color of your choice. I have had very good success on very rusty items such as mower decks and the like. You can add hardner to the color coat to make ti tougher quicker if you like. Without the hardner it is a bit tender for a few weeks.

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Keith-OR

02-05-2004 17:43:24




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 Re: Re: Rusty metal, how to prep for paint in reply to Ben in KY, 02-05-2004 11:36:23  
I don't know, as I haven't painted in about 8 years. I used to get it from our local auto paint supplier was made PPG Industries INC. Strongsville, OH 44136.If I get to town tomorrow will stop at supply and ask. Will get back to you.



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BB

02-05-2004 10:13:04




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 Re: Rusty metal, how to prep for paint in reply to Shane, 02-05-2004 05:29:21  
I repainted a trailer frame 2 years ago. I wire brushed (using air tools) all the areas that were rusted. Then painted the whole thing with Rustoleum grey primer. Then I painted it with Rustoleum spray paint. No sign of rust reappearing yet.



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OSPHO

02-05-2004 09:13:03




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 Re: Rusty metal, how to prep for paint in reply to Shane, 02-05-2004 05:29:21  
I've had success with OSPHO, but any rusty metal treatment containing phosphoric acid would probably be about the same. Turns the rust into black iron phosphate which can then be primered/painted or just painted over. I have heard that some people even let new bare metal flash rust on purpose so they can then treat with OSPHO and paint.



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MarkB

02-05-2004 16:33:55




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 Re: Re: Rusty metal, how to prep for paint in reply to OSPHO, 02-05-2004 09:13:03  
Ospho is the answer.



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Ludwig

02-05-2004 07:37:54




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 Re: Rusty metal, how to prep for paint in reply to Shane, 02-05-2004 05:29:21  
Wire brush to knock the worst of it off, clean good and use the POR-15 method. Remember to paint over top of POR-15 for anything that'll see daylight.



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Kevin (FL)

02-05-2004 06:59:44




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 Re: Rusty metal, how to prep for paint in reply to Shane, 02-05-2004 05:29:21  
Shane,

You need to at least remove the loose/flaking rust. Wire brush the entire surface and then wipe clean with mineral spirits. Go to local commercial paint store (Ameron, Sherwin Williams, International Paint, etc.) and get what's called "surface tolerant epoxy" paint. It'll come in two parts--one the paint itself and the other the catalyst. Spray a couple of coats on per the instructions and you'll have a solid paint job--very hard and tough after curing. Don't expect an enamel type gloss but it'll be a good coating system for "unblasted" steel--although a sand sweep would still be better.

This paint is often used in the steel ship repair business and in paper mills, etc. There are epoxies available that come in one batch, but I haven't used them. This is a "hot" paint and all safety precautions for breathing and eye protection should be followed. You'll also need a good hot thinner for cleanup of the spray rig--the paint seller can provide that too. Not all colors are available, but I've gotten it in white, black or gray, but I'm sure others can be found.

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Frank

02-05-2004 06:22:29




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 Re: Rusty metal, how to prep for paint in reply to Shane, 02-05-2004 05:29:21  
If the rust isn't flaking loose, painting with something like Rustoleum rust restorer is a possibility. The rust gets converted to a more stable compound and you up with a very paintable, hard surface. Note that this stuff is different than ordinary primer.



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old fashioned farmer

02-05-2004 05:40:52




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 Re: Rusty metal, how to prep for paint in reply to Shane, 02-05-2004 05:29:21  
Good day Shane,

Could I ask why you don't want to sandblast the trailer? If you simply don't want to sandblast I'd suggest a couple of options (both require a little more elbow grease). First off you could go for a small hand grinder with a wire brush wheel. I have no access to a sandblaster so this has been my primary rust remover over the years (which has to be carefully used so as to not damage the metal). Secondly, if you have lots of time you could always go for a rough grit sandpaper and take care of the surface rust that way. Now, this all depends on your reasons for not wanting to use a sandblaster. So, if you could, let us know just why you seek a different method. God bless.

--old fashioned farmer

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DoubleR

02-06-2004 20:34:49




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 Re: Re: Rusty metal, how to prep for paint in reply to old fashioned farmer, 02-05-2004 05:40:52  
Painted alot of old rusty equip. with TSC tractor paint, about 19bucks a gallon. Run a wire brush over it, wash it, then paint it. The paint does fade but will hold up well. For what its worth.



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