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Bret

02-04-2004 18:51:59




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Ther's a brand of plug advertised that are claimed to be designed to fire even in oil. It's a small company and I can't find the ad I saw. I want to say it's Aloris or something like that. I'm looking for something to keep my 59 Willys plow truck running until spring when I can rebuild the engine. The recommended Champions foul within minutes with oil/fuel. Any help would be appreciated.




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Bret

02-05-2004 12:43:08




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 Re: Real hot plugs in reply to Bret, 02-04-2004 18:51:59  
Thanks guys- I knew I could count on you. I stopped by NAPA and picked up a set of the anti fouling adaptors. We'll give then a try.



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Bruce

02-05-2004 12:27:30




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 Re: Real hot plugs in reply to Bret, 02-04-2004 18:51:59  
Check out this link.

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It might shed some light on the subject of plugs and what they say and how they work.



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Josh

02-05-2004 08:48:13




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 Re: Real hot plugs in reply to Bret, 02-04-2004 18:51:59  
I'd try the anti fouling device from NAPA. I used them on an old Case that would foul plugs within a few minutes at an idle. Put the anti foulers in and it has worked very well.



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Bob

02-05-2004 06:02:38




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 Re: Real hot plugs in reply to Bret, 02-04-2004 18:51:59  
Do you have a working thermostat in your engine, and maybe even cover part of the radiator to bring the engine up to 195 degrees, or so?

That might help with the plug fouling.



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buickanddeere

02-05-2004 10:49:33




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 Re: Re: Real hot plugs in reply to Bob, 02-05-2004 06:02:38  
A-men Rob. The engines were made to run at full rpm and 80% of rated load at operating temps. No wonder a worn parade engine running without shutters or a thermostat with the idle screws cranked way out just to keep the cool engine running smooth. Not only is the over rich mixture fouling the plugs. It's washing the lube oil off the cylinder walls, increasing the wear and making the oil comsumption even worse. Get the temps up to 195F and lean the carb out on the idle and mains. Tuning for the "smoothest" operation is way too rich. The mixture should be set as lean as possible without missfire.

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Ben in KY

02-05-2004 11:46:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Real hot plugs in reply to buickanddeere , 02-05-2004 10:49:33  
My IH 2444 C153 gas manual says 180F thermostat. I don't think I would want to run a 195 in it.



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Bob

02-05-2004 13:09:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Real hot plugs in reply to Ben in KY, 02-05-2004 11:46:05  
The 195 degree thermostat certainly won't hurt anything is cold weather, especially with an engine that has been running cold and slobbery. For hot weather use, it would probably be a good idea to go back to the 180.

As long as the water in ANY engine doesn't get to the boiling point, you're sure not gonna hurt it.

Running an engine cold, however, hastens wear, and condensation and acids in the oil.

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Ben in KY

02-05-2004 13:35:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Real hot plugs in reply to Bob, 02-05-2004 13:09:12  
Thanks Bob,
I understand the problems with a cold engine, but am not too worried in my case err IH. It is a 1968, all origional inside and uses less than 1/8 qt of oil in 100 hours. I think I will stay with the cooler manufacturer recomended thermostat. And yes it does run a bit rich when cold, I just kept increasing the heat range on the plugs till they burnt the right color, light tan.



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jdemaris

02-05-2004 05:46:15




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 Re: Real hot plugs in reply to Bret, 02-04-2004 18:51:59  
I think it's a load of hype. I've read ads about them dating back to when the first cars were invented. You'd be ahead to get some cheap anti-fouling sparkplug adapters.



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gene

02-04-2004 21:06:25




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 Re: Real hot plugs in reply to Bret, 02-04-2004 18:51:59  
i have just bought 2 sets of the aldor plugs for a couple of my tractors will you know how they turn out.
johndeeregene



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Kennyp

02-04-2004 20:31:23




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 Re: Real hot plugs in reply to Bret, 02-04-2004 18:51:59  
Like Jon says, a gap in the hookup wire will help. Anyway you can make one.
Another way to make it run hotter,if the threads are long enough, is to use two gaskets. This is equal to running a hotter plug.



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Gene Davis (Ga.)

02-05-2004 17:40:27




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 Re: Re: Real hot plugs in reply to Kennyp, 02-04-2004 20:31:23  
Years ago people use to make what was known as "button jumper" wires. They would take a spark plug wire and cut it into, strip back about 1/2" of insulation on each half then connect each end into the holes of a button, leaving a gap between the wire ends. This served to intensify the spark and to make it fire the almost fouled spark plugs with a hotter spark./ Was qiite a sight to see under the old car hoods at night. Also you could forget about any kind of AM radio or T.V. reception with all that arcing going on!

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Jon H

02-04-2004 19:54:46




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 Re: Real hot plugs in reply to Bret, 02-04-2004 18:51:59  
I have not tried them, but the operating theory sounds good. Like holding a plug wire 1/4 inch from the plug terminal to force the coil to build more voltage to spark through the fouling only the plug does this automatically.
I have had good luck with anti fouler plug adapters from NAPA. They about eliminate oil fouling. I use them in the badly worn chevy 305 in my reversed W9 loader tractor.
Here is a link for the Aldor plugs.

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Les...fortunate

02-05-2004 02:35:02




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 Re: Re: Real hot plugs in reply to Jon H, 02-04-2004 19:54:46  
Now there's a product I can use! How do you find a dealer who carries the Aldor plugs? Do you have a part # for the NAPA kit?
At $5 each they better be good.



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Aldor

02-05-2004 06:56:55




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 Re: Re: Re: Real hot plugs in reply to Les...fortunate, 02-05-2004 02:35:02  
HISTORY of
A.L. Doering Spark Plug Corporation
By Robert S. Mihailin
During the early 1900's gasoline powered engines really came of age. There were, however, oil seepage problems that were inherent to the design. Oil would seep past the pistons into the firing chamber resulting in rough running, hard starting, and loss of power.
Mr. Doering, a farmer in Staten Island, New York, found that his tractor always seemed to have problems with misfiring cylinders or cylinders not firing at all as the day wore on. In speaking to his acquaintances, Mr. Doering found that this problem was widespread and not just limited to his own tractor. Each day he would re-tune the engine so it would start the next day. The problem was becoming very time consuming and costly as he constantly had to replace spark plugs.
In experimenting with his own tractor, Mr. Doering found that if he disconnected the spark plug wires and held them very close to the plug, the spark would bridge the gap resulting in more power to the engine. Seeing the results of this, Mr. Doering would run his tractor with the spark to the engine. As the engine would warm up, he would then connect the wire firmly to the plug. Through his new system he found that his engine would run better for much longer periods and the plugs would not foul as often.
Mr. Doering tried his experiment on various engines with the same results. At about this time an investor named Mr. L. Anderson heard about Mr. Doering's invention and promptly formed a partnership with him. In 1914 the A.L. Doering Spark Plug Company was formed. Mr. Anderson's role in the company as mechanical engineer resulted in obtaining a U.S. Patent for the series gap spark intensifying plug. Many other patents followed.
As second owners of the company Mr. Ken Heim and his father in law Mr. Rimmler went into a partnership with Puerto Rico investor Mr. G. Velazquez. Funding from Mr. Velazquez enabled the company to completely automate production and assembly of the spark plugs greatly increasing manufacturing capacity. By March of 1980 all business obligations to Mr. Velazquez had been satisfied.
Robert Mihailin purchased the company in June of 1980. At this time the company moved from Bayside Queens to its present location in Lindenhurst, NY. Outgrowing its facility in 1989 the company again moved to larger quarters in Farmingdale NY. At this point Mr. Mihailin needed to expand production and contacted former partner Mr. Velazquez in Puerto Rico who had vast experience in increasing capacity. Additionally Mr. Velazquez helped in negotiations in opening up South America and Mexico as valuable new markets for ALDOR Spark Plugs.
This year A.L. Doering is proud to introduce its new line the ALDOR "C" Series plugs which are designed with higher performance engines, in mind, producing a colder, brighter and sharper spark to outperform standard plugs. these High quality, pre-gaped plugs with the patented "brain" and a lower insulating heat ranger will enhance the plugs performance at all engine speeds and at any fuel octane level. These new Aldor SMART PLUGS are available now and later this year we will be in the TRIAD system throughout United States and Puerto Rico.
ALDOR's thermo reactor head produces an Ultra Thrust Ignition that provides *faster starting, *newfound power, *increased fuel economy while at the same time *reducing emissions. Our plugs are fully automatic and adjust to spark demand while each cylinder is firing. The voltage increase to the spark plugs tip is varable from 3% to a maximum of 40% as necessary, thus the name "SMART PLUG" . The smart gap burns off excess carbon deposits that may form at the tip of the plug resulting in smoother operation. ALDOR spark plugs outperform all standard or original equipment spark plugs at a competitive price.

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MOHAMMED AYOOB MOOLLA

01-14-2005 02:04:23




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Real hot plugs in reply to Aldor, 02-05-2004 06:56:55  
DEAR SIR/ MAM

I WANT TO BUY AL DOERING SPARK PLUGS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.I WOULD LIKE TO ENQUIRE ABOUT PRICES OF SPARK PLUGS.

YOUR"S FAITHFULLY
MOHAMMED MOOLLA



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MOHAMMED AYOOB MOOLLA

11-23-2004 03:49:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Real hot plugs in reply to Aldor, 02-05-2004 06:56:55  
i would kindly appreciate it if you could send me an e-mail of the prices of Al Doering spark plugs i would the prices as soon as possible.



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Jon H

02-05-2004 06:55:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Real hot plugs in reply to Les...fortunate, 02-05-2004 02:35:02  
I see the Aldor plugs advertized in JC Whitney catalog. The antifouling adapters for standard plugs from NAPA have various numbers depending on plug type.( size,reach, gasket type ,etc)



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