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Dave in S MN

01-28-2004 08:50:06




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I noticed there was some discussion on generators dwon a little further. I have a 6-volt cut out system on a B JD that is not showing a charge. I have all new parts including generator, wiring harness, cut out, ammeter, light switch with resistor, and new battery. Can't get it to show a charge. Any thoughts?
-Dave R




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Lew

01-28-2004 20:41:00




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 Re: Another generator question in reply to Dave in S MN, 01-28-2004 08:50:06  
If you go through all of Bob M's steps and then suspect it is the generator, here is a way to test the generator. Loosen the belt so the pulley can freely turn, ground the F terminal and connect the battery to the ARM terminal and ground. The generator should turn like a motor. This is an old "boneyard" trick from when cars had generators, you know, in "good"the old days.



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Bob M

01-28-2004 11:46:57




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 Re: Another generator question in reply to Dave in S MN, 01-28-2004 08:50:06  
Dave - Here’s a step-by-step that may help you figure out the problem:

1 – Make sure the ammeter is working: Turn on the lights with the engine stopped. The ammeter should indicate discharge. If it does not, either the ammeter is bad or else it is wired up wrong.

2 – Polarize the generator. With the engine stopped and the battery connected, momentarily jumper the BAT and GEN terminals at the cutout. You will get a small spark when contact is made. Soon as you see the spark you have successfully polarized.

3 – Now start the engine and run at ˝ throttle or faster. If the ammeter shows no charge, run a temporary jumper wire from the generator F terminal to the grounded ammeter post. If the ammeter shows charge with the F terminal grounded, either there’s an open circuit in the wiring between the generator F terminal and the light switch or the light switch is not grounded. If the ammeter still shows no charge…

4 – With the engine still running at ˝ speed, connect the BAT and GEN terminals at the cutout with a jumper wire. If the ammeter shows charge with the BAT and GEN terminals jumpered, either the cutout is bad or it is not properly grounded.

5 – If the ammeter STILL indicates no charge after doing the above, problem is in the generator.

Note – If the ammeter is not working and you have an accurate DC voltmeter you can determine whether the generator is charging: Take a voltmeter reading across the battery posts with the engine running at ˝ throttle or faster. A reading higher than 6.6 volts says the generator is working.

Hope this helps!!

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hey Bob, I have a questio

01-28-2004 15:33:27




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 Re: Re: Another generator question in reply to Bob M, 01-28-2004 11:46:57  

If the tractor has a positive ground, do you follow the same procedure that you provided?

I have a tractor with a positive ground. The wiring diagram that I have is satisfactory, but doesn't tell me how the tach should be incorporated into the wiring. Currently the - side of the coil goes to the tach. The diagram says it should go to the switch.

Can you help me?



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Bob M

01-28-2004 17:06:21




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 Re: Re: Re: Another generator question in reply to hey Bob, I have a questio, 01-28-2004 15:33:27  
Procedure I outlined above is the same regardless of ground polarity.

Unfortunately without more info on your tach I cannot offer much help on wiring it up, other than that the tach sensing wire must go onto the coil primarly terminal that's connected to the distributor breaker points. Sorry!



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Terry

01-28-2004 09:26:22




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 Re: Another generator question in reply to Dave in S MN, 01-28-2004 08:50:06  
Not that familiar with JD. I did have the same problem with IH. My A Farmall would not charge until I removed the switch box from the pedestal
that it was fastened to. I had to clean everything, and make sure the box was grounded.
If you have a poor ground or no ground, you will have problems. This can also happen when you paint a tractor and put things back together.



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paul

01-28-2004 09:24:46




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 Re: Another generator question in reply to Dave in S MN, 01-28-2004 08:50:06  
Did you polerize the relay (cutout)?

--->Paul



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