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FARMIN RED

01-22-2004 05:22:03




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OK here is the problem. When I am out driving my 47 farmall H and the motor starts to warm up antifreeze starts to come out of the overflow tube in the lower left hand corner of the radiator. What is the problem and how do I fix it.
Thanks for all of your help!!!!




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naz

01-22-2004 15:08:36




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 Re: over flowing radiator in reply to FARMIN RED, 01-22-2004 05:22:03  
Had the same problem ,found it to be the head gasket.Coolant almost got in to the oil.It caused the water pump to slow leak as well.



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Bill Smith

01-22-2004 12:15:21




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 Re: over flowing radiator in reply to FARMIN RED, 01-22-2004 05:22:03  
Greywolf has got good ideas if you really have a problem. Marlowe also has a very good point. If you fill radiator brim full, then naturally it is going to overflow as much as the water expands as the engine warms up. Once the engine has reached its hottest point, then it should quit coming out the overflow. When tractor cools back down, the water level will likely be 1/2 inch or so lower than brim full. If this is what is happening, you can add coolant and it will do the same thing again. Modern day cooling systems have a reservior that accumulates the overflow, and the system will recover the fluid when cooling system cools back down by way of vacume. The H didn't have this, so it just went on the ground and wasn't recovered. The way to do it is just to fill it and let it leak some the first time you drive it and then keep it at that level. Just didn't want youto do some fixing and a bunch of spending if this is what is happening.

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marlowe

01-22-2004 09:14:21




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 Re: over flowing radiator in reply to FARMIN RED, 01-22-2004 05:22:03  
how much is comeing out and how full are you filling the radiator. if your over filling the rad. it might be just over flow that is normal from from the water warming up



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RAB

01-22-2004 12:20:42




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 Re: Re: over flowing radiator in reply to marlowe, 01-22-2004 09:14:21  
Agree with Marlowe. Tell us more about the radiator water level. As he said, completely full and more? Does it continue to lose coolant if you don't refill? How low does it go? Does it continually lose water? (- as long as there is water above the radiator core it is safe.)
Unless you give all the facts and information any diagnosis may be well off beam!
Regards,RAB



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Greywolf

01-22-2004 05:55:40




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 Re: over flowing radiator in reply to FARMIN RED, 01-22-2004 05:22:03  
Could be a couple different problems.

If the overflow is occuring before engine reaches operating temp....possible head gasket. If the over flow is occuring after full operating temp is achieved, possible bad thermostat, partially plugged radiator, possible faulty radiator cap.

Hope this helps pinpoint it a bit better.

Bruce



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FARMIN RED

01-22-2004 05:57:28




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 Re: Re: over flowing radiator in reply to Greywolf, 01-22-2004 05:55:40  
How could this be a head gasket problem?



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Greywolf

01-22-2004 07:12:06




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 Re: Re: Re: over flowing radiator in reply to FARMIN RED, 01-22-2004 05:57:28  
Like david stated...engine compression leaking into the cooling system.

Cooling systems are designed to operate somewhere around 7-12 (give or take exact numbers don't really matter for explanation purposes)pounds of pressure. The pressure created by the combustion process is much much greater than that.

If the head gasket is comprimised in the area around the cooling passages, high pressure always goes towards low pressure. The pressure created in the cooling system is then higher than designed, the relief feature of the radiator cap releases, pushing coolant along with the excess air out through the overflow tube.

An easy method of checking this is to take off the radiator cap on a cold running engine. Watch for bubbles forming in the coolant, the amount and size of the bubble will indicate the severity of a leak. Also, after the engine has been shut down....coolant will also go into the combustion chamber of the affected cylinder if the cooling system is kept closed. A major leak will leave coolant, a minor one the coolant will evaporate.

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david val

01-22-2004 06:06:04




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 Re: Re: Re: over flowing radiator in reply to FARMIN RED, 01-22-2004 05:57:28  
engine compression leaking into cooling system.



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Nor Ala.

01-22-2004 05:34:07




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 Re: over flowing radiator in reply to FARMIN RED, 01-22-2004 05:22:03  
They have a thermostat in the housing in the head at the top hose connection which could be stuck closed. I am assuming that the vent louvers are cranked open whenever this happens ( the crank is below amp box ). If not these you will probably need to have cooling system flushed / or cleaned.



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