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KURT(mi)

01-20-2004 08:40:05

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I have several things I want to say here so here it goes. First--in blizzard like conditions where the snow is blowing and drifting over a foot deep do any of you guys plow out your neighbors drives. Second-- do any of you guys plow the public road in front of your house. the reason I ask this is because last Saturday the guy across the road from me plowed his driveway and pushed the snow right in the road and partially blocked my entrance, I was able to plow again and ram through it with my car. This guy also has a new big New Holland tractor with a front end loader and could have done a much better job of plowing the snow. Third is there any liability if you plow the public road. thanks for any comments. I push snow with a Polaris ATV, works good but not as good as a 2000lb tractor with hydraulics and a good plow blade. any snow over 12" deep is difficult.

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jake

01-21-2004 11:57:46

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Re: plowing snow in blizzard conditions in reply to KURT(mi), 01-20-2004 08:40:05

I plow the roads to the two neighbour houses when doing my own road. It makes me about 900 meters of extra road to make, but i think the extra workout is just good to the tractor in winter times, most of the work in winter it gets is driving logs to the house and cleaning the roads.

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Kurt (mi) thanks guys

01-21-2004 02:30:19

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Re: plowing snow in blizzard conditions in reply to KURT(mi), 01-20-2004 08:40:05

I want to thank you for all of the replys here. I want to make a comment about the neighbor of mine who pushed his snow in the road, I should have said that 1/2 of the snow was in the road and the other half was pushed up along the side of the road, this neighbor also lets his dog run free sometimes and crap all over the place, this dog is a Doberman--If that dog ever bites my little boy the dog will be shot dead, and I dont care if the cops are called. Luckily his house is about a 1/3 of mile from mine. I sure wish some of you guys were my neighbors and not the ones I have now. If I owned a large tractor that was very capable of plowing out driveways I know for a fact that I would clear my neighbors driveways just to be nice. It amazes me that about two times or more a year we get 10+ inches of snow, to me that is deep and people with a large tractor or truck with a blade dont at least come by and clear the snow on the road or driveways. I do know of one very neighborly guy who owns a dairy farm near a buddy of mine. This dairy farm owner plowed the road and all the driveways on his road, about 10 or more because we had over 15 inches of snow and drifts over 4 feet in some areas, basically making people stranded. From what I was told this farm owner has a large new JD tractor with a front end loader. This tractor is probably $70,000. I know that I would have paid him $50 cash right then and he would have been in my prayers. Remember that if you do plow out your neighbors that you may only be appriciated by a few but being nice never hurt anybody.

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Nolan

01-21-2004 11:10:25

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Re: Re: plowing snow in blizzard conditions in reply to Kurt (mi) thanks guys, 01-21-2004 02:30:19

About that Doberman. Clearly this dog spooks you, and worries you about your little boy. I've been in your shoes on that one. A baited trap set out back, a .22 cb cap, and the Doberman disapears one day. No fanfare, no bragging. Just one day, the dog is never seen again. If this dog really worries you, then here's no reason to wait until your child is mauled. An ounce of prevention.

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KURT (mi)

01-21-2004 15:02:01

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Re: Re: Re: plowing snow in blizzard conditions in reply to Nolan, 01-21-2004 11:10:25

A buddy of mine shot a dog dead a few years back, he spent the night in jail for it too. The neighbors dog pushed its way into his yard, this is in the city by the way, and my buddy went in the house and grabbed the old Winchester 30-30 and one blast to the head and the dog was dead. He was charged with discharging a firearm in city limits and a misdemenor for shooting the dog. On another occasion he had a problem with another dog crapping in his yard and he lifted the window sill a few inches and put his BB gun rifle out the window and shot the dog in the butt, the dog didnt crap in his lawn anymore.

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Nolan

01-22-2004 11:56:37

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Re: Re: Re: Re: plowing snow in blizzard condition in reply to KURT (mi), 01-21-2004 15:02:01

That's why I said no fanfare. A 30-30 is loud, a .22 cb cap is almost completely silent. The dog just disapears.

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Irv in MI

01-20-2004 17:45:54

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Re: plowing snow in blizzard conditions in reply to KURT(mi), 01-20-2004 08:40:05

I plow my neighbors (5 of them) and about .4 mile of county road. Most of my neighbors wave and are quite friendly all year long. I have one who is a little goofy, not real friendly, and takes off on me about how good his Toyota truck is and how bad the union is. I don't think he is too smart anyway. LOL In general though, I feel blessed that I have such great people around me. I refuse the money, which I have been offered on several occasions, (Not by the goof!). The ones who have the big jobs seem least likely to offer to pay! But I guess thats why they have all the money! I never have given liability too much thought. I should point out some of my neighbors are on a private road - I only plow down on the public part. The swells have thier own plow they hire. My 2c Irv

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Sam in MI

01-21-2004 18:08:03

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Re: Re: plowing snow in blizzard conditions in reply to Irv in MI, 01-20-2004 17:45:54

Wow, we really are neighbors. I live near Cohoctah also.

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KURT (mi)

01-21-2004 02:10:08

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Re: Re: plowing snow in blizzard conditions in reply to Irv in MI, 01-20-2004 17:45:54

Where in Michigan are you at, I am near FLint.

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Irv

01-21-2004 07:21:33

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Re: Re: Re: plowing snow in blizzard conditions in reply to KURT (mi), 01-21-2004 02:10:08

Howell - actually Cohactah, but Howell mail, Fowlerville schools, and ? for all else. Also work at GM Powertrain.

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KURT (mi)

01-21-2004 15:03:23

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Re: Re: Re: Re: plowing snow in blizzard condition in reply to Irv, 01-21-2004 07:21:33

I live about 1 hour from you. I dont work for any of the big 3.

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Levi

01-21-2004 17:14:05

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: plowing snow in blizzard condi in reply to KURT (mi), 01-21-2004 15:03:23

what city do you live in? i just wanna say i may be 15, but i love tractors, i'd take a tractor over a snow-mobile anyday, they ar so fun.. i've been checking this site out for 3 years now and i love it, i just hope everyone keeps it clean, like no-more of the desperate guys lookin 4 lovers, thats not what a TRACTOR site is for, most of us are here for tractors not a damn women. you guys have a good 1

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KURT (mi)

01-22-2004 02:47:41

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: plowing snow in blizzard c in reply to Levi, 01-21-2004 17:14:05

I am about 20 miles from Flint, North of Detroit. I remember when I was 15, that was a long time ago.

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Levi

01-22-2004 06:44:25

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: plowing snow in blizza in reply to KURT (mi), 01-22-2004 02:47:41

yea, i like being 15, i'd rather be 16 lol but i'm not til march.i want a 3/4 ton truck with a plow when i'm 16, i think i'm pretty mature for 15, i even have my own share of tools and know how to fix little things on cars, trucks, tractors , ans semi's, my dad's a diesel mechanic that used to work about 90 hours a week so i used to service some trucks for him while he was working on another truck, 12 trucks is a lot for one guy, he also does about 7 other companies trucks too, but my work is done as they hired an actual legal mechanic, you guys may see their trucks, they are red macks and they have a white stripe on the trailer and say BRENNER OIL CO on them, byt he way it didnt really snow here yet but i live 20 miles from my school and they called it off, only 2 inches but the wind blew bad, you guys have a nice day

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Levi

01-22-2004 06:43:41

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: plowing snow in blizza in reply to KURT (mi), 01-22-2004 02:47:41

yea, i like being 15, i'd rather be 16 lol but i'm not til march.i want a 3/4 ton truck with a plow when i'm 16, i think i'm pretty mature for 15, i even have my own share of tools and know how to fix little things on cars, trucks, tractors , ans semi's, my dad's a diesel mechanic that used to work about 90 hours a week so i used to service some trucks for him while he was working on another truck, 12 trucks is a lot for one guy, he also does about 7 other companies trucks too, but my work is done as they hired an actual legal mechanic, you guys may see their trucks, they are red macks and they have a red stripe on the trailer and say BRENNER OIL CO on them, byt he way it didnt really snow here yet but i live 20 miles from my school and they called it off, only 2 inches but the wind blew bad, you guys have a nice day

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Greywolf

01-20-2004 14:45:09

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Re: plowing snow in blizzard conditions in reply to KURT(mi), 01-20-2004 08:40:05

In So MN, first off, like paul said, it is illegal to push snow onto or across any public highway.

Answer to your first part, unless they asked specifically to come at that time, snow isn't blown until the storm has blown itself out, no need to do one job twice.

As far as liability for plowing/blowing a public road. In the winter of '96-97, we had so much that the plows couldn't wing it out anymore. County hired farmers with blowers to blow shoulder to shoulder after the plow opened a lane. We were required to have our own insurance. It was quite a fiasco making sure the "right" type of insurance was in place. Normal farm liability didn't cover blowing for hire. Agent told me that a couple hundred feet in front of your own residence was considered OK. After being turned down by the ins company, then them requiring a specific policy with an upfront loaded premium ($1000 per year), they settled on covering us with a "blowing for hire" clause covering us up to $20,000 of income. Can't remember the additional premium, but it was reasonable. To be completely safe, check with your agent.

Could stand a few more winters like that. $55/hour, every time it snowed was almost guarenteed 10-14 hours of blowing. For the months of Jan and Feb, there wasn't one week that school wasn't called off at least one day per.

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missery

01-20-2004 14:37:31

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Re: plowing snow in blizzard conditions in reply to KURT(mi), 01-20-2004 08:40:05

in the state of maine it is illegal to plow across a public road.find out who maintains the road and turn them in.

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RayP(MI)

01-20-2004 14:33:40

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Re: plowing snow in blizzard conditions in reply to KURT(mi), 01-20-2004 08:40:05

Kurt, in my Michigan county, it is illegal to leave piles of snow in the road, and complaints from the snowplow operators will get the culprit a citation. Not only is it illegal, but common sense would know that it could be very hazardous to not only snowplows, but other vehicles, hitting unexpected mounds of packed snow. Could cause serious damage, getting stuck, or even worse. Good luck with your inconsiderate neighbor.

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Kurt (mi)

01-21-2004 02:11:09

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Re: Re: plowing snow in blizzard conditions in reply to RayP(MI), 01-20-2004 14:33:40

Where in Michigan are you at?

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Levi

01-21-2004 12:14:12

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Re: Re: Re: plowing snow in blizzard conditions in reply to Kurt (mi), 01-21-2004 02:11:09

if you were asking where i live in michigan its Cassopolis, i used to live in niles, thanks and yes my family brought me up to be nice to lett fortunate

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RayP(MI)

01-21-2004 11:18:23

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Re: Re: Re: plowing snow in blizzard conditions in reply to Kurt (mi), 01-21-2004 02:11:09

Central - Montcalm County

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Levi

01-20-2004 14:32:39

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Re: plowing snow in blizzard conditions in reply to KURT(mi), 01-20-2004 08:40:05

i'm 15 years old i live in southwest Michigan and i plow my drive-way with a little Ford lt 75 lawn tractor, its a 7hp but it plows GREAT, anyway, i recently moved out in the country and i plow my driveway which is very large and i also do by the neighbors mailbox and their driveway,(i never charge them, just maybe a pop every now and then) i push my snow across the street but i also keep going across the road until there arnt any strips left, i think it's rude to leave BIG strips in the road and to leave big blinding piles near the road,if my piles ever get that big, i have my dad push them back with his truck... people need to be more aware of their mistakes..

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Randy

01-28-2004 01:22:40

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Re: Re: plowing snow in blizzard conditions in reply to Levi, 01-20-2004 14:32:39

Right on. I pull the snow up from the end of the driveway with a back blade and then push the pile sideways on to the grass. Not great for the grass but not illegal anyway.

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john

01-21-2004 12:00:45

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Re: Re: plowing snow in blizzard conditions in reply to Levi, 01-20-2004 14:32:39

15 Yrs old and already you have a better head on your shoulders than some adults. Your dad must have taught you well and you should be proud of that.

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big fred

01-20-2004 14:21:37

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Re: plowing snow in blizzard conditions in reply to KURT(mi), 01-20-2004 08:40:05

We seldom get much snow here in western Washington, but this year was an exception. I cleared my driveway and a little less than a quarter mile of the (private) road leading to my house. I know what vehicles my neighbors might be using to get out, and though I was careful not to leave a "snow berm" in anybody's driveway, I took extra care to clear any excess from those neighbors that didn't have 4WD vehicles. I never heard any comments about whether I did a good job or bad job, but I know that I would have missed a day of work if I hadn't cleared it. The nearest public road is about a mile from my driveway.

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max

01-20-2004 12:38:56

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Re: plowing snow in blizzard conditions in reply to KURT(mi), 01-20-2004 08:40:05

Kurt
I plow my drive first then if I'm feeling ambitious, I'll plow the two neighbors on each side. Never hear much about it from any of the them. They probably think that if they come out, I'll try to charge them. One of the neighbors has a lazy high class son that comes out to smoke, they don't let him smpoke inside, and jawjack, coarse his FRIEND has a tractor a lot nicer than my 47 2n. These people are all retired so I do it because they shouldn't be out there, and I don't want to see them pay 20-30 bucks to some guy every time it snows, on their fixed incomes.
max-in Texas Corners, MI

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Dave H (MI)

01-20-2004 10:55:00

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Re: plowing snow in blizzard conditions in reply to KURT(mi), 01-20-2004 08:40:05

I have always cleared my neighbors snow and never would take a nickel. On the other hand, I plowed my current neighbors for 12 years...this involves a 700+ foot private road plowed about 20 foot wide right down to dirt. Not only do they not offer to chip in for fuel, but I don't even get a thank you. When I abruptly stopped doing it 2 years ago they made a big show out of coming out with lawn tractors and "taking turns" plowing. One thing they all have in common is they pile snow at the bottom of my driveway. I never did that. It's not like we don't all get along, because we do for the most part. It's just this snow plowing thing seems to bring out the worst in some people. Either that or just plain lazy.
Or maybe they think these big tractors I keep here can plow out the mess they make. I think that's it....tractor envy! Once the word gets around that you have the biggest tractor....

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KURT (mi)

01-20-2004 12:55:43

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Re: Re: plowing snow in blizzard conditions in reply to Dave H (MI), 01-20-2004 10:55:00

Your neighbors are quite rude, they didnt even offer to give you a fill up of fuel, they sound quite snobby or real cheap. If you were my neighbor and you plowed a 700' priv. road down to the dirt I would proabalby help you with my tractor or ATV or give you a $100 bill to cover your fuel for the winter. I dont like being indebted to other people. Your neighbors sound like the type that need a snow delivery, yep a 15yd dump truck of snow dumped right in front of their garage door. that would be funny huh.

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buickanddeere

01-20-2004 12:09:09

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Re: Re: plowing snow in blizzard conditions in reply to Dave H (MI), 01-20-2004 10:55:00

Had a neighbour like that too. Cleared her driveway in the winter if it wasn't already done while doing mine. Cut her entire front lawn on occassion when on vacation etc. And always mowed the entire common grass strip between each of our driveways. Without fail on the little strip between our driveways. If mowing,she would cut her 8' half and leave my 8' half untouched. Zig zagging through winter streets was required. Everyone would shovel a hill on each side of thier driveway from the curb onto the street. Great fun to watch the plow fill the neighbours driveways in. People complained the plough driver favoured me and never filled my drive. I pointed out that the snow was shoveled from the curb and threw/piled it towards the house. Instead of starting at the house and throwing snow towards the street was the answer. Most failed to understand and kept re-shoveling streetwards every plough trip.

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Larry806

01-20-2004 10:52:35

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Re: plowing snow in blizzard conditions in reply to KURT(mi), 01-20-2004 08:40:05

I've never heard of any one pushing there snow in to the road & leaving it. I know what would happen here if soneone did it. All the snow for about a half mile from them would be pushed in to there drive way. I plow several older neighbors out & plow the roads to get to them the TWP pay's me by the hour to do roads. I would call the guy & explain to him how he made a problem for you

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rhouston

01-20-2004 10:42:33

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Re: plowing snow in blizzard conditions in reply to KURT(mi), 01-20-2004 08:40:05

I have a snow blower that I use to clear mine. The nieghbor down the road uses a large loader to clean his and his inlaws. On most days he will come and clear mine too, I have never asked him to he just does. I have thanked him and my wife has sent baked goods to him. In N.Y. I think it's illegal to leave any of your snow on the road if you plow accross it (it may even be illegal to plow accross it but many people do). I have no problem with thoose who do it right and keep it clean. The roads here are twisty and turny there are people who plow accross the road and leave lots of snow behind. some are on turns and that is a liability claim waiting to happen. It's almost gotten me on several occasions

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01-20-2004 14:14:19

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Re: Re: plowing snow in blizzard conditions in reply to rhouston, 01-20-2004 10:42:33

If it's illegal in NY state, the county boys sure don't know it. I back my truck out in the road and plow in. I think I'm the only one. When I get too much bank, I plug in my Massey and move them.

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MapleStone

01-20-2004 09:58:29

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Re: plowing snow in blizzard conditions in reply to KURT(mi), 01-20-2004 08:40:05

This is a major peeve of mine!!! Here in the city where I live there are a lot of IDIOTS who shovel/blow/plow there drive ways onto the road. It is a dangerous and stupid thing to do.

Fortunately none of my neighbours are this stupid so I just have to deal with idiots on my travels around the city.

I would suggest, like the other fellas have, that you call you naighbour and talk to him about it. He might not even realize what he has done to you.

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paul

01-20-2004 09:48:33

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Re: plowing snow in blizzard conditions in reply to KURT(mi), 01-20-2004 08:40:05

In Minnesota it is illegal to push snow across any public road, or to pile it up so it causes problems with the public road.

On the other hand, a lot of my neighbors on the gravel roads blow out a path on the public roads so the school bus/ milk truck can get through beore the one township grader can get by.

I believe your situation is the first paragraph. The problem is, nothing will happen unless you call him in, and then what happens over the next few years? Big fued - or a worse one that you may have now?

How you handle it is up to you, but in my state what he's doing would be wrong.

--->Paul

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VADAVE

01-20-2004 09:04:48

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Re: plowing snow in blizzard conditions in reply to KURT(mi), 01-20-2004 08:40:05

It doesn't snow a lot in Virginia but when it does the county plows don't clear the drives, of course. We have fellow that pushed his drive out into the middle of the county road. County mountie went and got him from work and stood there while he cleared the road--then told him if it happened again he have a room with bars.
And yes there is liability issues with plowing like this.

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buickanddeere

01-20-2004 10:23:24

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Re: Re: plowing snow in blizzard conditions in reply to VADAVE, 01-20-2004 09:04:48

We need more County Mounties like that.

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Shane

01-20-2004 09:04:32

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Re: plowing snow in blizzard conditions in reply to KURT(mi), 01-20-2004 08:40:05

I do believe that you can get fined and sued for pushing snow into a public road. And when you live out in the middle of the country the county doesn't get here much so I will plow the road from one neighbors where we have calves past my house and to the farm. And yes I do plow some of my neighbors drives, of course those happen to be our landlords too! Keeps them happy and I too will refuse any payment.

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VADAVE

01-20-2004 09:04:32

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Paul in Mich

01-20-2004 08:54:44

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Re: plowing snow in blizzard conditions in reply to KURT(mi), 01-20-2004 08:40:05

Kurt, Obviously we have different neighbors in every sense of the word. My neighbor plows his driveway then comes over and plows mine. With all the drifting, he even plowed a path from the driveway to the house. I've tried to pay him several times and he act insulted. He only asks for the apples from my trees that hit the ground to take the woods. As to your inconsiderate neighbor, perhaps a courtesy phone call explaining to him that while he is in no way obligated to clear your driveway, he also has no right to block it. I'm sure that the County or MDOT would rather he pile the snow off the road than on the road, as it becomes a hazard not only for you, but for unaware drivers who may sudenly hit one of the piles and possibly lose control.

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