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NebraskaCattleRancher

01-19-2004 22:59:05




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The fuel gauge on my 186 hydro is not working. Itis pegged in the full postion. Any ideas on what is wrong and where the sender is? It has 2 tanks one behind the cab and one under the cab. Is there a sender in each tank? thankyou




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fixerupper

01-20-2004 19:44:27




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 Re: 186 Hydro in reply to NebraskaCattleRancher, 01-19-2004 22:59:05  
On most fuel gauge systems I have worked with more resistance to ground brings the gauge up closer to the full mark. The gauge has 12 volts going to it whenever the key is on and the senders ground the gauge by varying the resistance to ground. So the more the sender wire is grounded, the higher the gauge goes.If there is a dead short in the wire going to the gauge it will read full. I have replaced the sender in the top tank on my 1086 a couple of times but the bottom sender has never given trouble. The if it is a dead short in a sender it is probably the one with two wires.

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Bob

01-20-2004 10:30:07




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 Re: 186 Hydro in reply to NebraskaCattleRancher, 01-19-2004 22:59:05  
There are two sending units. One has two electrical terminals, and is in series between the other sending unit, and the fuel guage.
(Been there, fixed that!)

Starting from empty, the bottom sender causes the gauge to move to about 1/2 tank. The resistance of the lower sender then remains constant, and, as the upper tank begines to fill, the float in that tank begins to rise and the sender unit in that tank begines to change resistance, causing the gauge to begin moving upward from 1/2 towards full.

The sender with one insulated terminal needs it's metal frame grounded for the system to work, and both floats must be intact, and free to move, and both senders need to have electrical continuity that changes with float position, for the system to work.

I do not have an IH manual for this, but the local town uses one of these tractors for maintenance, and we service it. They have the IH manual, and the gauge circuit is spelled out in detail. I would recommend having the manual at hand, or see if the dealer will copy the pages pertaining to the fuel gauge.

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john

01-20-2004 07:37:45




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 Re: 186 Hydro in reply to NebraskaCattleRancher, 01-19-2004 22:59:05  
Do not know your machine; BUT.
We really need to know how you switch tanks to be able to really help. Is it a elec. switch or just a liquid direction valve. This would tell us if you have one or two sending units. Do not think you have a equalizer tank as one is higher (behind cab) than the other. (under cab) Most fuel gauges work like Allen said. If you take the wire loose from the gauge going to the sending unit it should read full. If you short this post to ground it should read empty. If it does not move your gauge is bad or you have no power to it. If it works your sending unit is bad or the wiring to the sending is bad.

Hope this helps
John

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Dr.EVIL

01-20-2004 08:00:45




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 Re: Re: 186 Hydro in reply to john, 01-20-2004 07:37:45  
I don't know a WHole lot about fuel gauges but I know about the Aux. tank option on H-186's. Main tank is mounted high behind the cab so the bottom of the tank is about as high as the TOP of the rearend of the tractor. The Aux. tank is mounted down on the left side of the transmission housing just ahead of the rear axle and is connected to the main tank with a large dia. hose about 1-1/2" to 2" in dia. Only a single fill point is needed/used with this setup. This tank setup was standard on the 1086's, 1486's, & 1586's. Some how the gauge has to take into account the different sizes and heights of the two tanks, and without checking My parts books to be positive, I think there's a sender in each tank. Someone on the "Other IH Forum" would know for sure.

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John

01-20-2004 08:48:52




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 Re: Re: Re: 186 Hydro in reply to Dr.EVIL, 01-20-2004 08:00:45  
Like I said I do not know this machine so I am guessing but by the way you describe it I would say.
It has two small tanks but is using them connect by a sealed system to make it one tank with no switching valve. If it has two sending units like you think then they would be hooked together with gauge getting half the resistance from one sending unit and the other half from the other. Have never seen a set up like this but any thing is possible.
One question I would have is does gauge work from full to empty on a working system? What I mean is does it stick on full for a long time then start working OR maybe work correctly at first but motor will still run long after gauge says empty. It may be using the lower tank as a reserve unit.
To truly know if it has one or two sending units you would need a wiring diagram. To check to see if problem is in gauge or sending unit see my other post as this will work on any type setup.

John

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Dr.EVIL

01-20-2004 13:32:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 186 Hydro in reply to John, 01-20-2004 08:48:52  
I knew fuel gauges read resistance, but I wasn't sure if two sending units increased or decreased resistance. I think the main upper tank is around 45 gal. and the little side aux. tank was 22 or 25 gal. There was no selector valve, the fuel was pulled from the bottom tank, and like most gauges I've had in cars & trucks they read full for a while, then drop to empty over a short period of time and sit on empty until I run out of courage and fuel up. My big tank on My truck I can go almost 100 miles before the needle pulls down to the F for full on the gauge, and once the needle is on E I can still go 50 more miles, and I can only go 400-425 miles on the whole tank.

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Allan

01-20-2004 02:21:31




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 Re: 186 Hydro in reply to NebraskaCattleRancher, 01-19-2004 22:59:05  
Hi Neighbor,

I've never worked on your model of tractor per se, but usually in a fuel gauge circuit, that pegged "full" needle means that there is an open circuit somewhere on the meter side of the gauge to the sender(s).

Likewise, a pegged "empty" needle would indicate a short to ground in the fuel tank wire(s).

If you don't have to switch a "tank select switch" between the two tanks, then I can't imagine there being two senders. Is there an equlizer line running between the two?

Hope ya get 'er going,

Allan

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John

01-20-2004 09:51:55




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 Re: Re: 186 Hydro in reply to Allan, 01-20-2004 02:21:31  
HEY ALLEN..... .....
How is that new living room coming along? Did the wife move your bed out there when she found out you spent her money on that great looking siding? he he he!!!

John



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Allan

01-20-2004 12:12:43




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 Re: Re: Re: 186 Hydro in reply to John, 01-20-2004 09:51:55  
Hi John,

I'll finish the wood work today and then start in on the varnishing.....Then, I'll put a picture up and let you guys laugh me out of the country!

A carpenter I just am not. :>)

However, I'm a musician and the wife is strongly urging me to take my guitar and all it's assorted support equipment out of her living room and place it squarely in the new "den". Ha.

Thanks for the holler,

Allan

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