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Jury is still out...valve color

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Bruce

01-17-2004 12:51:19




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I asked a few days ago what the correct color for a exhaust valve ought to be..mine was running white and I felt it was running hot. I got two answers...one said white was correct, one said white was too hot....anyone want to break the tie?? I sure don't know the answer...if I did I would be working on my tractor instead of repeating my post.

Thanks for all the help.

Bruce




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surefire

01-17-2004 20:04:44




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 Re: Jury is still out...valve color in reply to Bruce, 01-17-2004 12:51:19  
As for my 2cents worth I like a light tan color. Also I use a infrared heat gauge with laser pointer to check for hot and cold spots. Quickest way to find non firing or overtemp cylinders. Cost less than a hunnert bucks most places.



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Jon H

01-17-2004 18:47:47




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 Re: Jury is still out...valve color in reply to Bruce, 01-17-2004 12:51:19  
If the plug is also whiter than the rest,that cylinder may be running lean. Otherwise lighter color of the valve may indicate it is running hot. A valve that is not seating tightly has a hard time getting rid of heat through the valve seat. A valve not seating can be from too tight valve clearance or a weak valve spring.



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Allan

01-17-2004 15:56:50




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 Re: Jury is still out...valve color in reply to Bruce, 01-17-2004 12:51:19  
Hi Bruce,

White, to tan, to a very lite beige color is absolutely normal. Traces of a reddish, to reddish brown color indicate oil comsumption.

A valve that is running too hot will have a huge V-shaped crack brunt completely thru the face. The color of the edges of this gapping crack will be dark blue to black.

Allan



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Mark

01-17-2004 14:12:55




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 Re: Jury is still out...valve color in reply to Bruce, 01-17-2004 12:51:19  
What color are your spark plugs? They should be lite brown or tan colored. Black would be too rich, white probably on the lean side.



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marlowe

01-17-2004 14:08:29




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 Re: Jury is still out...valve color in reply to Bruce, 01-17-2004 12:51:19  
just to add any thing on the black side is from over fueling or poor combustion we also check the color of the headers[side]for a white color



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marlowe

01-17-2004 14:05:02




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 Re: Jury is still out...valve color in reply to Bruce, 01-17-2004 12:51:19  
well i race stock cars and we do plug checks all the time and a good plug color is just so it is white and every engine we pull down we like to see a white or cream color to the valves



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Wayne

01-17-2004 13:46:30




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 Re: Jury is still out...valve color in reply to Bruce, 01-17-2004 12:51:19  
I don't know why you have the engine apart and are looking at the valves, so unless that reason was directly related to the head/valves and overheating, I really wouldn't worry about what color they are. As long as the engine was running and not overheating then it must be ok, no matter how they look. As a heavy equipment mechanic by trade, everything I've ever seen concerning valve color as it pertains to the correct operation of the engine shows whiteish "buildup" on the valves as being a sign of the engine running correctly. You want the valves to run as hot as possible, without overheating, in order to keep the buildup off them. Black deposits usually denote soot/carbon buildup which is caused by incomplete combustion due to burning oil, low compression, etc, all the things normally associated with engine problems. Like I said as long as the engine was running properly and there isn't an excessive amount of buildup on the valves then I wouldn't worry about it. Just my .02

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Bruce

01-18-2004 06:37:38




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 Re: Re: Jury is still out...valve color in reply to Wayne, 01-17-2004 13:46:30  
Hi Wayne,

Thanks for your advice. I have been watching this valve through the spark plug hole as I had to replace the valve due to it burning up. When I purchased the tractor it had a burnt exhaust valve in this head, so after changing it out, and running the engine for a few minutes, I notice that this head ran really hot, plug was whiter than the other plugs, and the new valve was white while the others were black. So that started me on a wild goose chase to determain if I fixed the result of some other problem, but still had not fixed the problem. I retimed the engine, and checked many times for false air...nothing. Upon retiming the engine, all of the plugs look more a like, all running much cleaner, and some of the other valves are starting to get some white on them. I have decided that the engine is going to run as it is and if it is too hot, I should find out after running it for a longer time...just hope I can catch it in time if it is....thanks for your advice and all the others who responded.

Bruce

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